Ugggg....510 help please

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Ugggg....510 help please
Ugggg....510 help please
2017-04-26 09:18:13
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It shouldn't be this hard should it??!

My current network is controlled by a Netgear R6400 router and the goal is to get the network to my house preferably on the same SSID. I purchased 3 CPE510's to help accomplish this and I cannot get access to any of them (VIA pharos/web login) and they cannot access the network. When I plug a cable in any of the 510's and connect to a individual device I can see the unit I am attempting to connect to but none show a wan address.

Currently all are setup as repeaters and no physical cable to the network exists. I added a extra unit as the CPE510 just just sees the network at the back of the building and when it is located in its final setup I know it will be too far for just the R6400.

So right now:

modem-->r6400 (with static IP from provider) --x--> CPE510(1) --x--> CPE510(2) --x--> CPE510(3)

IF I set it up:

modem-->r6400 (with static IP from provider) --> CPE510(1) (wired directly) I can access the 510 and the screen shots are included.


R6400 Wan Setup




R6400 IP Assignment












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Re:Ugggg....510 help please
2017-04-27 06:16:16
Anyone?
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Ugggg....510 help please
2017-04-27 06:22:12
Model :

Hardware Version :

Firmware Version :

ISP :

Model : CPE510


It shouldn't be this hard should it??!

My current network is controlled by a Netgear R6400 router and the goal is to get the network to my house preferably on the same SSID. I purchased 3 CPE510's to help accomplish this and I cannot get access to any of them (VIA pharos/web login) and cannot access the network/internet. When I plug a cable in any of the 510's and connect to a individual device I can see the unit I am attempting to connect to but none show a wan address.

Currently all are setup as repeaters and no physical cable to the network exists. I added a extra unit as the CPE510 just just sees the network at the back of the building and when it is located in its final setup I know it will be too far for just the R6400.

So right now:

modem-->r6400 (with static IP from provider) --x--> CPE510(1) --x--> CPE510(2) --x--> CPE510(3)

IF I set it up:

modem-->r6400 (with static IP from provider) --> CPE510(1) (wired directly) I can access the 510 and the screenshots are included.

R6400 setup





CPE510 COnecceted:







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Re:Ugggg....510 help please
2017-04-27 17:22:02
So right now:

modem-->r6400 (with static IP from provider) --x--> CPE510(1) --x--> CPE510(2) --x--> CPE510(3)


Just to be sure: you connect the CPE1 to the r6400 using repeater mode and the following CPEs to CPE1 also using repeater mode, right?

This not only creates big issues with alignment of the CPEs to each other (did you align them at all?), but with bandwidth/throughput, too: using 3 repeaters in a row will reduce bandwidth to 1/8 (yes, that's 12.5%) of what you could get with a straight setup between two CPEs with one radio link. Not to speak of the hidden node problem you almost certainly are running into with such an adventurous topology.

So some of the first questions are: why don't you use cable to connect the CPE1 to the r6400, what sites would you like to connect and why do you need repeating mode for what purpose? How many directional links there are to cover from the source network to the remote place?
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Re:Ugggg....510 help please
2017-04-28 03:56:00
I can reduce the power and see if that helps for sure and update the firmware for sure. (Thought it was up to date but will double check.)

My goal is to seamless connect to my studio from my house so I am open to suggestions to make it better. Obviously reduction isn't wanted and wasn't aware of that.

As soon as I connect a cable I lose all network ability but not object to it either. To clarify my network to help:

Studio Back Of Building (<-- 600' at most but big ol building so no line of site--> Home
R6400 CPE1 CPE 1 CPE 1


The extra CPE is so I get out the back of the building as I cannot run a wire through the building to the back and all are setup with them as repeater.

Again all CPE's CAN see the one previous so I know they are aimed correctly and the signal is good. They all point to the house except the home one and that one is a bit higher as I am on the third floor vs second at the studio. (What you mean by directional links right?

Again wireless I get no wan link and with the cable plugged in no network/internet.

May I ask how you would do this?

Thank-you
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Re:Ugggg....510 help please
2017-04-28 03:58:34
BTW R6400 192.168.0.1

R6400 DHCP Server with range of 192.168.2 -> 25 And reservations for CPE's. 154,155, & 156 (shown it wasn't set for the second as the first isn't even working atm).
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Re:Ugggg....510 help please
2017-04-28 06:24:38

Leftboot wrote

May I ask how you would do this?


The CPE has directional antennas with a beamwidth of 45° on the H plane and 30° on the V plane, thus a pair of them need to be aligned front-face to front-face.

Especially in the 5 GHz band you need an (almost) free line of sight (LoS). Although it does not interpenetrate foliage as good as 2.4 GHz, it will even go through some kind of trees (e.g. willow trees), but never ever it will pass through an area with metal structures. No chance at all. Only way is to go "around" the metal structures, in a way to go at angles/over corner.

You could do that with 3 CPE's only if the first CPE (#1, home), which faces a second one in direct LoS to a "middle" positioned CPE (#2) at the corner, is in the same angle (inside 45°) as is the third CPE (#3, studio) facing to the one in the middle. A picture explains this better:





Instead of repeater mode, I personally would use AP mode for CPE #2 and client mode for CPEs #1 and #3, so that I could take advantage of using MAXtream/TDMA to avoid the so-called hidden node problem (see wikipedia for an explanation of the HNP).

The best place of CPE #2 depends on the angle of the antenna's beamwidth in respect to CPEs #1 and #3. Both should be inside the 45° range for best results, even on short distances.

If you can't set up CPE 2 in the middle of such a "above corner" link, four CPEs would be needed, so you have two independent radio links with almost straight alignment to each other, such as this:





In this case, one of the CPEs #1 or #3 are in AP mode, while #2 and #4 are in client mode or vice versa, doesn't matter for the flow of data. But avoid repeater mode. Not only there is no need to use this mode for the kind of setup you want to use, but it also will almost certainly cause problems (see HNP).

As for your question re directional link: it describes the characteristics of the radio link with aligned antennas so you will get the strongest signal, independent of TX power. If you look at the CPE 510's antenna beam patterns, you see that it is a very bad idea to point the back of a CPE to its counterpart, the remote CPE:





Outside the 45° plane you will have a 10 times weaker radio signal. Facing one CPE back to the other one or even leaving the 70° plane you will experience a 1,000 times weaker signal due to attenuation.

As for the wireless setup, Johnsontp already answered. I just would add: use fixed 802.11n mode and be sure to set the distance correctly (or set to auto).

Antenna patterns are from the CPE data sheet. It is always useful to read the fine manual (RTFM). :D
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Re:Ugggg....510 help please
2017-04-28 14:44:48
That would be ideal but 110% undoable. :/ Again I can see the next device in line so I am 110% sure once I figure out a mode this will work...how well has yet to be seen! =) I do appreciate you taking time to try to help as the guys in town I got it off of haven't been.

Here is a really crapy graphic of my situation:





R6400 & CPE are in the studio, CPE #2 is at the back of the building & #3 in on my apartment building. I think it is less distance between the back of the studio and home but my step o' meter is a close estimate. The only cables I can run is the studio gear and a power outlet at the back of the building. Home can connect to a old apple router or piggy back off the CPE, which was the inital plan.

As I understand it AP mode creates a new network does it not? Would bridge mode be better?
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Re:Ugggg....510 help please
2017-04-28 18:58:53

Leftboot wrote


As I understand it AP mode creates a new network does it not? Would bridge mode be better?


No, AP mode does not create a new subnetwork, it just creates a new virtual WiFi interface, that is (internally) bridged to the LAN network.

No, bridging mode over wireless (rather than internal bridging of the virtual interfaces) would be even worser.

Anyway, depending on the old folk's home (reinforced concrete, number of walls etc.) you can't build a stable directional link in the 5 GHz band.

Mount the CPEs locally in your home. Set them up as you wish, test connectivity. Then mount them on the final places. If it doesn't work, don't waste your time trying to fiddle with it. The chances that it works if a big building is in between the radio link and you're using 3 repeater links are very low, since this is not, what the CPEs have been designed for.
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Re:Ugggg....510 help please
2017-04-30 06:02:46
I will give that a shot. Sadly sales guy didn't know what he was tlaking about then...and no returns. :/ Thanks for you help though, really appreciate it
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