Which product is right for hotel ?

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Re:Which product is right for hotel ?
2020-08-29 18:18:09 - last edited 2020-08-29 18:27:05

@Boriy,

 

no, there are many different cables with different plug sizes.

 

Your cable and your plugs seem to have no shielding. If so, it's not suitable for 1 Gbps over long distances.

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Re:Which product is right for hotel ?
2020-08-29 18:18:59

@dpsguard 


Also check if your jurisdiction will require using plenum rated cables indoors. Generally is the case here in North America and believe in Europe, for commercial / business use case

hmm.....From what I heard and what IT consultants said about it, there is literally no regulations for this yet. Remember we're ranked (in speed) #181 out of 207 countries. Since it's not very IT country, there is little or no regulations especially in IT field. Probably we can use any type that works for us and we should be good.



Looks like you are not leaving anything for the consultant as he / she should know all this and much more and you are probably leaving only the configuration part for that person to do. Anyway, you have now lots of knowledge to successfully implement the solution.

I learned very important things here, but I believe there is lots to learn, and IT consultant will be needed, but thanks for compliments :)

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Re:Which product is right for hotel ?
2020-08-29 18:32:42

@Boriy 

 

These are not IT regulations, but are health and safety and electrical code regulations for any type of cabling you will run. Plenum rated in our region is not limited to the data cabling.

 

Now it depends, but given you are talking about a 4 star rated hotel (irrespective of the country, these are at least relative ratings within the country), and when all this cabling and data / internet equipment will be fraction of the cost of the overall building, I will not recommend to try to save little money here. Please do the best and remember cabling will stay with the building and will probably last for 20 plus years easily. So if this all amounts to saving 0.0001% of the overall building cost, why will not use the recommended CMP / plenum rated cable. R1D2 also advised to use shielded cable and connectors, so as long as you can find a shielded Plenum cable, I will go for that. My understanding is that STP outdoors rated is generally not plenum, but there are STP indoors that is plenum rated. So please follow excellent recommendations made by R1D2 as well as few made by me and in the grand scheme of things, it will not cost you anymore.

 

https://community.fs.com/blog/ethernet-cable-jacket-ratings-cm-vs-cmr-vs-cmp.html

 

This thread is becoming a very important design guidelines for anyone new to the field. R1D2, you may want to request the moderator to sticky this for others to use.

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Re:Which product is right for hotel ?
2020-08-29 18:44:13

@R1D2 


This is our planned to use Cat 6 shielded cable:



and if we put it in RJ45 it will be like that: (cat 5,5e and 6 have the same size)



Our EAP-225 Wall need RJ45 connecter in back in order to operate, but Cat 6 shielded can be field in RJ45.

In our case, we can use it since both Cat 5E and 6 have the same size and can fit into EAP-225



Is that correct ? Sorry if I miss something again

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Re:Which product is right for hotel ?
2020-08-29 18:44:57

@R1D2 

 

Looks like CAT7 is a requirement in europe, but it is too expensive here in North America. Our requirements is to use CMP (Plenum) and CMR (riser) cables within building and STP gel filled outdoors.

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Re:Which product is right for hotel ?
2020-08-29 18:52:22 - last edited 2020-08-30 13:51:48

@Boriy, I have no photo of Hirose plugs, but look at those relatively cheap plugs with metal jacket on a CAT.5e shielded cable (note the different lengths of the plastic sleeves):

 

 

 

Usually an electrician runs the cable through the cable duct to the wall junction box and then crimps the plug on it.

 

You have to pull the cable through the plastic sleeve and need ~4-5cm of cable to strip the wires, insert them into the plug and crimp it. The crimp tool needs place, too.

 

The wall juction box in the EU is ~2 to 4cm in depth, round and the cable usually comes from the top or the back.

Guess how much space you have to crimp the plug onto the cable until you notice that your plug is too long to fit into the box or your cable is too short at the second end.

 

 

 

@dpsguard, thanks for the compliments, but I would rather write an HowTo for the stories section. Too much text in this thread. :-)

 

Maybe I will write a story for cabling a CPE/EAP-Outdoor combo, b/c I have to assemble one for a customer soon.

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Re:Which product is right for hotel ?
2020-08-29 18:53:35

 

Boriy wrote

Is that correct ? Sorry if I miss something again

 

That would fit.

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Re:Which product is right for hotel ?
2020-08-29 19:04:39

@dpsguard 

Absolutely agree.

IT networking in hotel, it's one of the things, that we're trying to do very good. Before starting this post, I've been told to buy 2 AP for each coridor (15 rooms total) and it should be enough for entire floor. 
But now we decided to have EAP-225 Wall in each room, so each client can have very good connection, regardless of their position (close or far from AP). Also TV will be coonected using Ethernet from AP, so they'll not make wi-fi so busy. So no worries, we'll do our best to have best possible networking experience here. 

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Re:Which product is right for hotel ?
2020-08-29 19:17:37 - last edited 2020-08-30 13:55:56

Ok, I have just made a photo to show you what I mean with different plug types.

 

Leftmost plug on the black cable is TC-CON which has a full-metall jacket. Length is ~12mm if plugged in (24mm total).

Rightmost plug on the grey cable is a Hirose TM21. Length is ~33mm if plugged in (45mm total).

 

Pretty much a big difference if you don't have much space in the wall junction box!

 

Also worth mentioning: the black cable is a solid wire cable with pair-wise shielding (PiMF) and 5mm diameter.

The remaining three are cheap patch cables with stranded wires, a single foil shield and 4mm diameter.

You can clearly see the different diameters:


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Re:Which product is right for hotel ?
2020-08-29 19:56:58 - last edited 2020-08-29 19:58:47

 

dpsguard wrote

Looks like CAT7 is a requirement in europe, but it is too expensive here in North America.

 

Not required, but electricians like to sell you even CAT.8 cables nowadays (whether you need it or not).

Cheapest CAT.8 cable I found is currently priced at 1€ per meter. Of course, you can also get CAT.7 for as much as 2€ per meter.

 

To be honest, when I was upgrading my office network cabling years ago, I didn't know better then and followed the advice of an electrician to use CAT.7.

 

And then I found a manufacturer of priceworthy, excellent fiber cables which are much better suited for uplinks between the switches in the office (and are even ready for 10 Gbps should this ever come in this century). What an effort I could have saved with fiber cables ... 

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