Outdoor - WiFi NETWORK with - CPE210, EAP110, WA7210N - Setup

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Outdoor - WiFi NETWORK with - CPE210, EAP110, WA7210N - Setup
Outdoor - WiFi NETWORK with - CPE210, EAP110, WA7210N - Setup
2018-07-24 07:05:43 - last edited 2018-07-26 05:39:14

Hello

We want to build a Wi-Fi network in our allotment gardens. Maybe you could help us. We have the following devices available:

4x CPE210
1x EAP110
1x WA7210N



The WA7210N connects to a hotspot in "AP-Client-Router"-mode
The rest of the setup is not clear to me yet - could I connect all devices with "Bridge with AP"- mode?

 

The computers and cell phones in this wifi network should be able to communicate with each other.

Thank you so much!!
Max

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Re: Outdoor - WiFi NETWORK with - CPE210, EAP110, WA7210N - Setup-Solution
2018-07-24 15:11:06 - last edited 2018-07-26 05:39:14

tcsmaxx wrote
The areal is on a slope and is 200m high and 150m wide.

The plan is that our members can connect to the Wlan / Internet at any point in our terrain.

 

This won't work smoothly with such a topology. All devices (CPEs, EAP, client devices) share the 2.4 Ghz band, which undoubtly will lead to the hidden node problem and/or the exposed node problem. In my opinion this will create many headaches caused by low overall throughput, connectivity problems, etc.

 

It would be better to use devices with bidirectional antennas everywhere, but that does not work with the EAP110, because they can only work as AP - correct?

 

 

You certainly mean omnidirectional antennas - every antenna of a WiFi device is always bi-directional in terms of signal flow.

 

The way to go for such an area is to connect a master AP (preferably a CPE510 working on the 5 GHz band) to the Internet Hotspot by wire. Then, you could add pairs of client CPE510 and EAP110-Outdoor also interconnected by wire to the blind spots of the area. The CPEs then would be used to connect wirelessly to the main AP. You probably need only one such pair in the middle of the above half of the area if the Internet Hotspot itself can cover the lower half area (else you would need 2 or more pairs).

 

With up to two pairs and the Internet hotspot you could make use of total 3 non-overlapping 2.4 GHz channels. Separating the direct links (the transfer network if you want call it that way) using 5 GHz devices will guarantee full throughput of up to 75-85 Mbps data speed for all CPE/EAP pairs. The total bandwidth of the main AP will be shared if you use one CPE as the main AP, but you could also use a separate CPE for each directional link (this decision depends on the bandwidth of your Internet connection).

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Re:Outdoor - WiFi NETWORK with - CPE210, EAP110, WA7210N - Setup
2018-07-24 12:01:19

According to your network topology CPE #1 to CPE #2 is a directional link, CPE #2 to CPE #3 is a directional link, CPE #4 connects the IP Cam and the EAP110-Outdoor to CPE #3. Im not sure why you want to use such a relay chain here. Is it because you need to go around 3 corners due to obstacles in direct line of sight or is it because you have 4 CPEs to play with? How does the terrain look?

 

Note that CPE210 has directional antennas with a beam width of 65º. You won't be able to support an omnidirectional coverage for clients with a CPE in AP (or repeater) mode, because a) smart phones have very weak antennas thus limiting the distance they can connect to a CPE (which supports much larger distances, but only in one direction) and b) smart phones can't connect even if used nearby a CPE if the former are not located within the beam width angle of a CPE.

 

"Bride mode with AP" is a TL-WA7210 setting, which is just called "bridge" or "repeater" mode (two different modes) on a CPE. A CPE in "bridge" mode provides an AP with the same SSID for its AP as the one it bridges to, while "repeater" mode allows to use a different SSID for the AP of the bridging CPE.

 

Without knowledge to which AP your smart phone should connect to, no recommendations can be given. If smart phones should be able to connect to the EAP110-Outdoor only, this scheme could work only if the CPE #4 connects to the EAP as a client.

 

Thus, CPE #1 needs to work in AP mode, CPE #2 and #3 can work in bridge or repeater modes, CPE #4 must be configured as a client to connect to the EAP110-Outdoor, which always is an AP.

 

See the chapter "Operation Modes" in the Pharos CPE docs for basic information about CPE modes. 

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2018-07-24 14:28:08

Hello and thank you for the detailed answer!

The areal is on a slope and is 200m high and 150m wide.

 

 


The plan is that our members can connect to the Wlan / Internet at any point in our terrain.

I understand now that the CPEs are not so optimal for this application :)
It would be better to use devices with bidirectional antennas everywhere, but that does not work with the EAP110, because they can only work as AP - correct?

 

Thanks

Max

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Re: Outdoor - WiFi NETWORK with - CPE210, EAP110, WA7210N - Setup-Solution
2018-07-24 15:11:06 - last edited 2018-07-26 05:39:14

tcsmaxx wrote
The areal is on a slope and is 200m high and 150m wide.

The plan is that our members can connect to the Wlan / Internet at any point in our terrain.

 

This won't work smoothly with such a topology. All devices (CPEs, EAP, client devices) share the 2.4 Ghz band, which undoubtly will lead to the hidden node problem and/or the exposed node problem. In my opinion this will create many headaches caused by low overall throughput, connectivity problems, etc.

 

It would be better to use devices with bidirectional antennas everywhere, but that does not work with the EAP110, because they can only work as AP - correct?

 

 

You certainly mean omnidirectional antennas - every antenna of a WiFi device is always bi-directional in terms of signal flow.

 

The way to go for such an area is to connect a master AP (preferably a CPE510 working on the 5 GHz band) to the Internet Hotspot by wire. Then, you could add pairs of client CPE510 and EAP110-Outdoor also interconnected by wire to the blind spots of the area. The CPEs then would be used to connect wirelessly to the main AP. You probably need only one such pair in the middle of the above half of the area if the Internet Hotspot itself can cover the lower half area (else you would need 2 or more pairs).

 

With up to two pairs and the Internet hotspot you could make use of total 3 non-overlapping 2.4 GHz channels. Separating the direct links (the transfer network if you want call it that way) using 5 GHz devices will guarantee full throughput of up to 75-85 Mbps data speed for all CPE/EAP pairs. The total bandwidth of the main AP will be shared if you use one CPE as the main AP, but you could also use a separate CPE for each directional link (this decision depends on the bandwidth of your Internet connection).

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Re:Outdoor - WiFi NETWORK with - CPE210, EAP110, WA7210N - Setup
2018-07-25 09:09:50

Okay thank you!

This hotsport is a Vodafone hotspot, I can only connect it via 2.4 GHz in WISP mode - Everything else has not worked so far.

On WA7210N I use an external omnidirectional antenna - this area is covered by it very well.

Now I could connect the WA7210N with the CPE510 via LAN and build up the network as follows:

 



Would that be okay? and how should I configure the CPEs?


Do I have to connect the CP510-11 and the CPE510-2 with LAN and then go from the CPE-2 via LAN into the EAP11-1?

 

thank you!

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Re: Outdoor - WiFi NETWORK with - CPE210, EAP110, WA7210N - Setup
2018-07-25 13:37:57 - last edited 2018-07-25 16:12:01

tcsmaxx wrote
On WA7210N I use an external omnidirectional antenna - this area is covered by it very well.

 

I see. I wondered why you use a TL-WA7210 at all - it's somewhat outdated.

 

Note that you can not connect a CPE510 (5 GHz) to an TL-WA7210 (2.4 GHz). If the TL-WA7210 covers an outdoor area, its working much like an EAP110, except that it can also wirelessly connect to the Vodafone hotspot.

 

But: why don't you connect the CPE510-1 to the hotspot using a cable?

 

As for the config: one CPE should be configured to work in AP mode, the opposite CPE should work in client mode. It doesn't matter which one is an AP and which one is a client. Yes, the CPEs and EAPs should be connected by wire.

 

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2018-07-25 14:17:13 - last edited 2018-07-25 14:20:18

I do not have access to this hotspot - I only have the account and can connect to it via WiFi. And the connection worked so far only with the "AP client rout (WISP)". Otherwise, I can not get the portal login page from the hotspot.

I could exchange the WA7210N into a CPE210 and
connect this by wire with the CPE510.

 

Can I use the CAP300 outdoor instead of the EAP110?

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Re: Outdoor - WiFi NETWORK with - CPE210, EAP110, WA7210N - Setup
2018-07-25 16:10:32 - last edited 2018-07-26 05:38:17

Sure, you can use any outdoor AP with omnidirectional antennas, but why would you want to use CAP300? I would recommend EAP110-Outdoor, since this one is very easy to set up and can be managed by a free software controller, while the CAP products need an AC50 or AC500 hardware controller for central management.

 

If your community members need more throughput from member to member (LAN only), then even an EAP225-Outdoor could make sense (but not for Internet access, since this is limited by the CPE210 <-> Hotspot link to max. 100 Mbps).

 

BTW: if this did work for you, please mark this thread as solved by selection an answer as "best solution". Thx!

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2018-07-26 05:48:38 - last edited 2018-07-26 05:49:17

Okay - I have just ordered the required devices and will do the installation this weekend.

Maybe there will be a few more questions coming up.

 

Thank you for the great support!

Max

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Re: Outdoor - WiFi NETWORK with - CPE210, EAP110, WA7210N - Setup
2018-07-26 20:04:53

You're welcome. Good luck with the setup!

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2018-08-09 01:06:03

Dear tcsmaxx

 

How's your installtion? Do you have any trouble?

If you have finished your setting, maybe you can post it on the Stories.  It could be helpful for the other users who has the same problem.yes​​​​​​​

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