T2600G-18TS - Separate VLANs setup, issue with accessing Synology NAS

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T2600G-18TS - Separate VLANs setup, issue with accessing Synology NAS
T2600G-18TS - Separate VLANs setup, issue with accessing Synology NAS
2020-07-06 10:18:21 - last edited 2020-07-06 10:29:31
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Maybe someone can help with an issue with accessing a Synology NAS that is on VLAN 1 from IoT devices on VLAN 10. I want to stream music to these and I have it working but only because those ports that are on VLAN 10(IoT) are also on VLAN 1. The NAS is also on VLAN 1. I have an EdgeRouter to, with approipate firewall rules to allow IoT to the NAS IP.

 

 

 

 

 

Port 17 is the trunk to the EdgeRouter. NAS is on LAG1 (not in first pic) and is tagged member of VLAN1. If I remove Ports 3&4 from VLAN1 I cannot see the NAS nor stream music to IoT. However the firewall rules work as intended.

 

@R1D2 , can you help bud?

 

Switch VLAN setup (some of these ports are used by OC200 - eth1 & EAPs - eth2&3) eth 5 is the trunk to port 17 on the switch. I am wondering if it is to do with the Synology NAS only allowing one VLAN in the GUI (PITA) and is is setup as VLAN ID 1

 

 

 

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Re:T2600G-18TS - Separate VLANs setup, issue with accessing Synology NAS
2020-07-06 11:30:28 - last edited 2020-07-06 11:31:41

 

Pugs wrote

 

@R1D2 , can you help bud?

 

Hi Pugs, sorry, I'm not familiar with media server streaming protocols. But maybe you need to allow port 1900 (UPnP), too.

See https://www.synology.com/en-us/knowledgebase/DSM/tutorial/Network/What_network_ports_are_used_by_Synology_services

 

If this doesn't work, I would allow all ports in the Inter-VLAN firewall rule on the EdgeRouter and check with tcpump which ports are actually used by the IoT devices when streaming.

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Re:T2600G-18TS - Separate VLANs setup, issue with accessing Synology NAS
2020-07-06 12:30:47 - last edited 2020-07-06 12:31:08

Thanks, streaming is fine, it's the case once ports 3 & 4 are taken out of VLAN 1 (they are supposed to be members of VLAN 10 only) that streaming stops. I would have hoped that they could be taken out of VLAN 1, don't really want them on that particular VLAN. Does the VLAN assignments look ok to you?

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Re:T2600G-18TS - Separate VLANs setup, issue with accessing Synology NAS
2020-07-06 13:35:10 - last edited 2020-07-06 13:35:44

@Pugs, what's on ports 3 & 4? The LAG to the NAS?

 

I was wondering about the firewall rule (ports 50001 and ? Is it 50002?). What makes you sure the firewall rule for Inter-VLAN routing works? It seems that it does not work when you remove the NAS from VLAN 1 or did I mis-understand something here? According to the Synology document you need to allow also port 1900, right?

 

As for the ER VLAN settings:

 

eth1 is an access port which is untagged member of VLAN 1. Connected to OC200, right?

eth2 is a trunk with membership in VLANs 1T, 10T, 30T, 40T, 200U. Connected to an EAP?

eth3 is a trunk with membership in VLANs 1T, 10T, 30T, 40T, 99T, 200U. Also connected to an EAP?

eth5 is a trunk with membership in VLANs 1T, 10T, 30T, 40T, 50T, 99T, 101T, 200U. Trunk to switch?

 

As for the switch I can't see all assignments, e.g. for LAG1.

 

It would best to draw a network diagram showing only switch, NAS, VLANs 1 & 10, EAPs, mapped SSIDs, OC200 Management VLAN setting.

 

For testing, I would remove the port limitation from the firewall rule. First, try to make a simplified setup working. It can be restricted later èn detail if things are working.

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Re:T2600G-18TS - Separate VLANs setup, issue with accessing Synology NAS
2020-07-06 15:01:35

@R1D2 

 

what's on ports 3 & 4? The LAG to the NAS? Nope 3 & 4 is to an AVR & Smart TV on VLAN 10 IoT. NAS is on LAG 1 (Ports 15 & 16)

 

I was wondering about the firewall rule (ports 50001 and ? Is it 50002?). What makes you sure the firewall rule for Inter-VLAN routing works? It seems that it does not work when you remove the NAS from VLAN 1 or did I mis-understand something here? According to the Synology document you need to allow also port 1900, right? Firewall is Okay. Log shows it working and only allowing VLAN 10 to VLAN 1 NAS, blocking other subnets (guest, gaming etc)

 

 

As for the ER VLAN settings:

 

eth1 is an access port which is untagged member of VLAN 1. Connected to OC200, right? Yip

eth2 is a trunk with membership in VLANs 1T, 10T, 30T, 40T, 200U. Connected to an EAP? Yip

eth3 is a trunk with membership in VLANs 1T, 10T, 30T, 40T, 99T, 200U. Also connected to an EAP? Yip

eth5 is a trunk with membership in VLANs 1T, 10T, 30T, 40T, 50T, 99T, 101T, 200U. Trunk to switch? Yip

 

As for the switch I can't see all assignments, e.g. for LAG1. The LAG config is done on the TP-LINK, I JUST DIDN'T SCREENSHOT LAG 1 buts its a tagged member of VLAN1

 

 

 

 

It would best to draw a network diagram showing only switch, NAS, VLANs 1 & 10, EAPs, mapped SSIDs, OC200 Management VLAN setting. Pretty basic, forget about the EAPs\OC200, that works fine. I only connect my IoT through wired ports (I designed the LAN when i built the house). All IoT are LAN wired (in VLAN10).

 

So (example - not my real IP ranges)

 

LAN1 10.1.1.0/24

LAN10 10.1.10.0/24

 

LAN1 NAS 10.1.1.58, DLNA service (LAG 1 tagged - member 15 & 16)

LAN10 AVR 10.1.10.30, DLNA Client (Port 3 untagged)

Trunk Port 17 to EdgeRouter 10.1.1.1 (DCHP service etc) - eth.5

TP-LINK Jetstream switch - 10.1.1.2

 

 

ALL these ports are connected on the switch not the EdgeRouter with the exception of the Trunk Port (17) , OC200 and two EAPs (these aren't the problem, all working, just NAS to IoT)

 

By the way I created pvid 200 as you once mentioned here to have non assigned traffic going to a an dummy VLAN, so did pvid 200 which doesn't have anything assigned)

 

 

For testing, I would remove the port limitation from the firewall rule. First, try to make a simplified setup working. It can be restricted later èn detail if things are working.

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Re:T2600G-18TS - Separate VLANs setup, issue with accessing Synology NAS
2020-07-06 15:47:52 - last edited 2020-07-06 15:50:58

 

Pugs wrote

LAN1 NAS 10.1.1.58, DLNA service (LAG 1 tagged - member 15 & 16)

LAN10 AVR 10.1.10.30, DLNA Client (Port 3 untagged)

 

Ok, so I guess that the firewall rule doesn't work if communication breaks between IoT devices and the media server if you remove the IoT devices from VLAN 1.

 

AFAIK, for DLNA you need to allow:

  • Multicast from IoT zone to the media server/NAS,
  • UDP port 1900 from IoT zone to multicast UPnP,
  • UDP port 1900 from media server to IoT zone,
  • TCP (and UDP?) from IoT zone to the media server/NAS.

 

I think it's best to ask in the Ubiquity forum for help on how to set the firewall up correctly for DLNA.

 

By the way I created pvid 200 as you once mentioned here to have non assigned traffic going to a an dummy VLAN, so did pvid 200 which doesn't have anything assigned)

 

Beware to apply this recommendation to the EdgeRouter! Semantics of a VLAN-aware virtual interface on an EdgeRouter and VLANs on switches are somewhat different. My recommendation for a dummy VLAN was related only to Easy Smart Switches and Smart Switches which do not allow to drop untagged frames arriving on a trunk. 

 

 

T2600G series managed switches (and meanwhile even T1500G smart switches) allow to drop untagged frames by setting »Acceptable Frame Types« to »Tagged Only« (but only set this if everything is working and you do not rely on untagged frames on trunk ports).
 
Hope this helps!
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Re:T2600G-18TS - Separate VLANs setup, issue with accessing Synology NAS
2020-07-06 16:02:19 - last edited 2020-07-06 16:04:17

@R1D2 

 

Yeah, just removed one of the two aforementioned IoT devices from VLAN1, it stopped communicating to the NAS. I also then put it back in but blocked it at the firewall (removed from an 'allowed list' of devices), it also was then prevented in communicating, even though still in VLAN1. So i'd say the firewall rules work. Been playing around with this for ages and at a loss. However, work around is having those devices in both VLANs and it appears to work as intended, its just I hate things that dont work as intended and that means getting them off my VLAN1...lol

 

Ports have all been opened for DLNA and so forth.

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Re:T2600G-18TS - Separate VLANs setup, issue with accessing Synology NAS
2020-07-06 17:54:25 - last edited 2020-07-06 17:54:49

 

Pugs wrote

Ports have all been opened for DLNA and so forth.

 

See this video HowTo, it shows how to use a mDNS repeater on EdgeRouter to have IoT devices broadcast between subnets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mjdkki2pIY

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Re:T2600G-18TS - Separate VLANs setup, issue with accessing Synology NAS
2020-07-07 10:44:44
Thanks @R1D2, I had that already setup. Also, tried different firewall rules, disabled etc but still the same. No matter what as soon as those ports 3 & 4 are taken out of VLAN1 it stops working. Ideally the synology should be able to accept different subnet VLANs through the GUI, it must have something to do with it.
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Re:T2600G-18TS - Separate VLANs setup, issue with accessing Synology NAS
2020-07-07 11:43:59

@Pugs,

 

maybe you can check VLAN tags with tcpdump or connect the NAS to an access port and let the switch do VLAN tagging/untagging.

 

Alternatively, consider to move the NAS to the isolated IoT network and use Inter-VLAN routing to use backup functions and other NAS services in your main network. Might be easier to set up.

 

Except for this, I have no more ideas, sorry.

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Re:T2600G-18TS - Separate VLANs setup, issue with accessing Synology NAS
2020-07-18 11:09:48 - last edited 2020-07-18 11:11:09

@R1D2 

 

Still no luck with this. I'm wondering if the VLANs also require to be setup in the T2600 under L3 features-interface-interface config-Add, then add static IP mode to all of the VLANs that have been setup in the Edgerouter (which controls DHCP) Is this L3 feature also required along with creating the VLANs\Port Configs under L2 Features (which is obviously setup)? Not sure what it brings to the table by adding this L3 feature, since all devices already pick up their correct allocation to a VLAN.

 

Note my edgeswitch is the DHCP server.

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