EAP653 is not able to handle more than 800-850 MBit/s throughput (5GHz, WiFi 6) ?
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Hi,
I was wondering, why I cannot get more than 850 MBit/s on the EAP653 APs? Even when multiple devices streaming at once, 850 MBit is the limit.
Find that quite frustrating, because Ive tested a Netgear AP and got 1.8 GBit wireless throughput to my HTC Vive Focus 3 and to my Samsung S22 Ultra.
Channels of all EAPs are set to 80MHz, there is no overlapping, no other SSIDs nearby. They are mounted on the ceiling in the middle of the room. No obstruction. Tested the speed directly underneath the AP (2.6m room height) and in an area 2m around the AP. No change.
Connected devices report a maximum bandwith of 1.2GBit so I would expect that minus overhead, full GBit utilization should be possible?
What are your experiences? Do I need to upgrade to the 670 to get at least full GBit? And where is the 690E-HD APs, want to upgrade to 6GHz but still nothing in sight.
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Similar results on my EAP670 (80mhz), when I run a speedtest (500mbps max) and iPerf3 with iphone (AX) and ipad (AC), same AP, I can only get a peak of about 650mbps. They don't seem to utilize the different antennas on the AP. Running each individually also peaks at about 650mbps. Expectation is 1gpbs, the link speed from AP to switch. This was mentioned in a couple other threads here and TP has been quiet about it.
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Similar results on my EAP670 (80mhz), when I run a speedtest (500mbps max) and iPerf3 with iphone (AX) and ipad (AC), same AP, I can only get a peak of about 650mbps. They don't seem to utilize the different antennas on the AP. Running each individually also peaks at about 650mbps. Expectation is 1gpbs, the link speed from AP to switch. This was mentioned in a couple other threads here and TP has been quiet about it.
but thats entirely to blame on the Apple-Devices. Currently not a single Apple Device (I have iPad Pro 2021, iPhone 12 Pro Max, MacBook Pro 2021) is able to get more than 650-750 MBit/s, no matter the AP.
My netgear nighthawk router for 6E testing boosts my S22 Ultra to the mentioned 1.8 GBit over 5GHz, but the iPhones does max out at 750. So you should try to test another device, in theory the 670 should peak at 2GBit with a compatible device like S22 Ultra or similar.
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but thats entirely to blame on the Apple-Devices. Currently not a single Apple Device (I have iPad Pro 2021, iPhone 12 Pro Max, MacBook Pro 2021) is able to get more than 650-750 MBit/s, no matter the AP.
My netgear nighthawk router for 6E testing boosts my S22 Ultra to the mentioned 1.8 GBit over 5GHz, but the iPhones does max out at 750. So you should try to test another device, in theory the 670 should peak at 2GBit with a compatible device like S22 Ultra or similar.
No, that wasn't the point of my test. Since the apple devices are both 2x2, they should be allocated to different antennas on the AP for better throughput, but that doesn't happen. On the 653 it probably doesn't matter, it's only a 2x2 AP. The 670 is 4x4, but does no better than a 2x2. My test wasn't max single device speed, it was multidevice speed through the AP using two different methods simultaneously. If my test is flawed, please explain how. Cheers! :)
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ok I think there is more to unravel. I have a Netgear Nighthawk AP with theoretical 10.8Gbps WiFi bandwidth, accumulated. When using a 80MHz channel in 5GHz, an iPad Pro can boost 930 MBit through the air. Adding the iPhone Pro Max and the combined speed stays at around 850-900Mbit. Despite a 4x4 antenna on the Nighthawk AP. Increasing the channel to 160MHz, the Apple devices will not change in throughput, but the S22 Ultra achieves the 1.8 GBit. So looks like Apple can only use 80MHz The funny thing now is, when any Apple device joins, the S22U will drop significantly and both devices now share one 80MHz channel (both do 450 Mbit). So looks like, when a 2x2 device joins, the 4x4 will be downgraded to 2x2 and both share the 2x2 bandwith. Even funnier: when the Netgear and the EAP share the same channel in the same room, the EAP wins by quite some margin (600Mbit vs. <1Mbit), so looks like in terms of air-sovereignty TPLink is a good choice, if you dont care about your neighbors ^^ But in essence, something is not working as expected. The 4x4 APs should be able to handle two 2x2 devices with 800-900 Mbit each.
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Definitely interesting. There was an "official" review of the 660 (also 4x4) and the reviewer discovered this limitation of two 2x2 devices limited to sharing the same channel. TP did respond saying that would be corrected in the next firmware release, but it never happened. So the same limitation exists with the 670. Unfortunately I don't have any 3x3 or 4x4 hosts to test with. All that said, the range on the 670 is the important factor to us, and we've found it to be very good. It should be much greater than the 653, at least in the US (see specs if interested).
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do you have a benchmark for that range comparison?
I need gigabit in every corner of my apartment, so currently Im running 3 of the 653 in my 4-room apartment. And Im trying to reduce the cell-size as much as possible so that roaming can kick in before speeds drop below 500Mbit (which is crucial for me because Im doing VR-streaming in my entire apartment and therefore having full-speed is necessary for latency free gaming
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I do not have any benchmark. I did replace an EAP245 with a 653 and then exchanged it for a 670 when it underperformed the 245 with signal strength. I'm not sure if it's related to 2x2 vs 3x3 vs 4x4 or actual transmission strength. That's about all I can comment on my experience.
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iPhone products get 2x2 mimo with 1024qam, wifi 6, channel width 80mhz = 1200Mbps maximum link speed.
speak human words, you count the internet speed 50% of your link speed
14 pro max with 2x2 wifi 6 supported capability: https://youtu.be/LxSC4NWXFG8
(even this guy may have a wifi 6e wifi router/ap, but iPhone would never get better than that. i can say that it is on wifi 6 2x2 1024qam, 80mhz. that's the speed you expect from the wifi6 2x2 1024qam 80mhz)
in the end, all wifi manufacturer advertise wifi link speed not real internet speed tests for their product's speed. 10Gbps from the netgear, that's a combination of tri-band and wifi 6e.
your device has to support 2x2 or 4x4 mimo, support wifi5/6/6e, support 1024qam, support 2.4g/5g/6g to get the speed. if i have cr@ppy device with bad wifi chipset and outdated wifi4, i would not take advantage of the 4x4 wifi band.
i mean, you have the right wifi for the right device. but you don't need to worry about the upgrade. you got a powerful one and it is future proof.
Samsung
- Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/ax 2.4G+5GHz+6GHz, HE160, MIMO, 1024-QAM
- Up to 2.4Gbps Download / Up to 2.4Gbps Upload
Download and upload speeds reaching up to 2.4Gbps only available with Wi-Fi 6E. Wi-Fi 6E only supported on Galaxy S22 Ultra and S22+.Galaxy S22 has Wi-Fi 6.
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6 and 6E are identical in terms of maximum speed. S22 U as link speed of 2.4 GBit on 5GHz channel if 160Mhz channel is used. But the problem is, EAP does not support 160MHz channels and if any device in the network is not capable of 160 Mhz, the accesspoint will drop to 80 Mhz for all devices.
But even that is not the issue.
I already reached 980+ MBit with 80 MHz 5GHz channel and 2x2 device. So the EAP653 is 150Mbit short of whats possible with other APs. So thats the initial question.
And no, im not future proof because Im doing the uttermost "new" stuff that is possible, called VR-Streaming. And 4kp120 streaming needs the most of the WiFi performance one can imagine. If you want to do multiplayer streaming in your home, you need 10GBit air-speed. So thats my goal for the next years, to truely achieve 10GBit WiFi performance in a single room. Than Im would call my setup future proof. Currently were on the edge of "its ok and enough for the standard user".
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653 advertised as 160Mhz from their specs. will that be supported in future firmware?
the link speed is set to 900mbps, that's weird. 256qam, 80mhz 2x2. you got 960mbps as the link speed.
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