@KeithU thanks for the replies did all the suggestions and a hard reset on the initial router and setup from scratch seemed to have worked. BTW an old laptop still limps along (33Mbps wifi and...

Brand new BE 65 3 nodes with nbn fttp and TPG various Ethernet cables and and wifi connections Worked well with provider top speed 250Mbp then it dropped to 25 Mbps Tried reboot, connecting direct to...