Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency

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Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency
Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency
2025-05-01 15:01:48
Tags: #Bandwidth Control/QoS #Bufferbloat
Model: Archer BE400  
Hardware Version: V1
Firmware Version: 1.0.8 Build 20241217 rel.40166(5553)

Hi there.


 

I had been using the Archer C6|AC1200 router for the past 2-3 years and have been very happy with it's ability to mitigate bufferbloat using QoS.

 

My internet connection is 100Mbps, dedicated download and upload (more accurately, a stable download/upload of 105Mbps/115Mbps)
 

Recently I had purchased an Archer BE400|BE6500 to improve Wi-Fi coverage and handle more devices.

 

When I ran speedtests with QoS off, the results between the two routers were similar. But when I ran speedtests with QoS on, the BE400 produced horrible results. 


 

On Archer C6:

[Wired] [Internet Port Negotiation Speed: 1000MF]

 

On speedtest:

- without QoS:

        [bandwidth: download: ~105Mbps / upload: ~115Mbps]

        [ping: unloaded: 5ms / download+loaded: ~70ms / upload+loaded: 5ms]

+ with QoS, download and upload set to 104Mbps:

        [bandwidth: download: ~92Mbps / upload: ~92Mbps]

        [ping: unloaded: 5ms / download+loaded: 5ms / upload+loaded: 5ms]

 

On waveform:

- without QoS: BUFFERBLOAT GRADE: B

+ with QoS, download and upload set to 104Mbps: BUFFERBLOAT GRADE: A+


 

On Archer BE400:

[Wired] [Internet Port Negotiation Speed: 1000MF]

 

On speedtest:

- without QoS:

        [bandwidth: download: ~105Mbps / upload: ~115Mbps]

        [ping: unloaded: 5ms / download+loaded: ~75ms / upload+loaded: 5ms]

+ with QoS, download and upload set to 104Mbps:

        [bandwidth: download: ~97Mbps / upload: ~97Mbps]

        [ping: unloaded: 5ms / download loaded: 200-400ms / upload loaded: 300-600ms]

 

On waveform:

- without QoS: BUFFERBLOAT GRADE: B

+ with QoS, download and upload set to 104Mbps: BUFFERBLOAT GRADE: F


 

I am completely lost as I was expecting similar results to the C6 on the BE400 considering that the BE400 is newer and 3.5 times the price of a C6 in my location.

 

I would like to know the possible solutions or suggestions on how to mitigate bufferbloat (reduce loaded latencies similar to C6) on the BE400 V1 router.


 

Thanks

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Re:Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency
2025-05-01 18:36:39

  @chrsan01 

 

Hi,

 

Have you tried playing around with the QoS Download/Upload Bandwidth values?

 

I have a BE550 and if I honestly enter the upload bandwith of my broadband connection, then Waveform's bufferbloat test shows me up to +800ms for upload, whereas if I completely overstate my upload bandwith (like double it), then it shows me +8ms. I know this doesn't make any sense, but it still might be worthwhile to try for you.

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Re:Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency
2025-05-02 03:01:54

@woozle 

 

Yes. I have tried changing the values for download and upload and it is as you have said.

 

For download:

    if I provide a value greater than 115Mbps ( 10 + baseline of 105Mbps )

    then the available bandwidth for download and loaded download latency, remain unchanged, similar to when QoS is turned off (105Mbps / 65-80ms)

 

For upload

    if I provide a value greater than 125Mbps ( 10 + baseline of 115Mbps )

    then the available bandwidth for upload and loaded upload latency, remain unchanged, similar to when QoS is turned off (115Mbps / 5-10ms)

 

But in both cases

    if I set the value to 100Mbps/100Mbps (as per ISP plan) or 105Mbps/115Mbps (baseline, as per multiple speed tests) or even (<10Mbps + baseline), such that it reduces the available bandwidth,

    that's when the respective loaded latencies increase by a lot.

 

The Archer C6 was able to maintain Unloaded 5ms and Loaded (Download and Upload) ~6ms stable, which isn't currently possible with the BE400 no matter how much I play around with the values.

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Re:Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency
2025-05-02 12:32:17 - last edited 2025-05-02 12:32:50

GE800, BE800, BE550, they all have the same problem, the QoS is broken, its activation congests the upload with latencies of almost a second. I also reported the problem at the beginning of the year, they didn't care.

 

My original post:

https://community.tp-link.com/en/home/forum/topic/745746

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Re:Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency
2025-05-02 16:27:23

@Doc_Octopus 

 

True.

 

Hope they fix this.

 

On a side note I am really curious as to how C6 manages this better.

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Re:Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency
2025-05-06 15:50:58
We have 2 xbox series X connected to the same network and, when one is updating, on the other console it is impossible to play due to the very high ping. I have to block the download while playing and reactivate it during the night hours.
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Re:Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency
2025-05-23 14:04:01

  @chrsan01 

 

Installed the latest firmware 1.0.9 Build 20250417 rel.46306(5553) and no improvement whatsoever. 

 

Out of curiosity, does the paid version (Security+) offer any QoS options? I saw a ad which mentioned "better qos" on the paid plan.

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