Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency

Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency

Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency
Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency
2025-05-01 15:01:48
Tags: #Bandwidth Control/QoS #Bufferbloat
Model: Archer BE400  
Hardware Version: V1
Firmware Version: 1.0.8 Build 20241217 rel.40166(5553)

Hi there.


 

I had been using the Archer C6|AC1200 router for the past 2-3 years and have been very happy with it's ability to mitigate bufferbloat using QoS.

 

My internet connection is 100Mbps, dedicated download and upload (more accurately, a stable download/upload of 105Mbps/115Mbps)
 

Recently I had purchased an Archer BE400|BE6500 to improve Wi-Fi coverage and handle more devices.

 

When I ran speedtests with QoS off, the results between the two routers were similar. But when I ran speedtests with QoS on, the BE400 produced horrible results. 


 

On Archer C6:

[Wired] [Internet Port Negotiation Speed: 1000MF]

 

On speedtest:

- without QoS:

        [bandwidth: download: ~105Mbps / upload: ~115Mbps]

        [ping: unloaded: 5ms / download+loaded: ~70ms / upload+loaded: 5ms]

+ with QoS, download and upload set to 104Mbps:

        [bandwidth: download: ~92Mbps / upload: ~92Mbps]

        [ping: unloaded: 5ms / download+loaded: 5ms / upload+loaded: 5ms]

 

On waveform:

- without QoS: BUFFERBLOAT GRADE: B

+ with QoS, download and upload set to 104Mbps: BUFFERBLOAT GRADE: A+


 

On Archer BE400:

[Wired] [Internet Port Negotiation Speed: 1000MF]

 

On speedtest:

- without QoS:

        [bandwidth: download: ~105Mbps / upload: ~115Mbps]

        [ping: unloaded: 5ms / download+loaded: ~75ms / upload+loaded: 5ms]

+ with QoS, download and upload set to 104Mbps:

        [bandwidth: download: ~97Mbps / upload: ~97Mbps]

        [ping: unloaded: 5ms / download loaded: 200-400ms / upload loaded: 300-600ms]

 

On waveform:

- without QoS: BUFFERBLOAT GRADE: B

+ with QoS, download and upload set to 104Mbps: BUFFERBLOAT GRADE: F


 

I am completely lost as I was expecting similar results to the C6 on the BE400 considering that the BE400 is newer and 3.5 times the price of a C6 in my location.

 

I would like to know the possible solutions or suggestions on how to mitigate bufferbloat (reduce loaded latencies similar to C6) on the BE400 V1 router.


 

Thanks

  0      
  0      
#1
Options
6 Reply
Re:Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency
2025-05-01 18:36:39

  @chrsan01 

 

Hi,

 

Have you tried playing around with the QoS Download/Upload Bandwidth values?

 

I have a BE550 and if I honestly enter the upload bandwith of my broadband connection, then Waveform's bufferbloat test shows me up to +800ms for upload, whereas if I completely overstate my upload bandwith (like double it), then it shows me +8ms. I know this doesn't make any sense, but it still might be worthwhile to try for you.

  0  
  0  
#2
Options
Re:Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency
2025-05-02 03:01:54

@woozle 

 

Yes. I have tried changing the values for download and upload and it is as you have said.

 

For download:

    if I provide a value greater than 115Mbps ( 10 + baseline of 105Mbps )

    then the available bandwidth for download and loaded download latency, remain unchanged, similar to when QoS is turned off (105Mbps / 65-80ms)

 

For upload

    if I provide a value greater than 125Mbps ( 10 + baseline of 115Mbps )

    then the available bandwidth for upload and loaded upload latency, remain unchanged, similar to when QoS is turned off (115Mbps / 5-10ms)

 

But in both cases

    if I set the value to 100Mbps/100Mbps (as per ISP plan) or 105Mbps/115Mbps (baseline, as per multiple speed tests) or even (<10Mbps + baseline), such that it reduces the available bandwidth,

    that's when the respective loaded latencies increase by a lot.

 

The Archer C6 was able to maintain Unloaded 5ms and Loaded (Download and Upload) ~6ms stable, which isn't currently possible with the BE400 no matter how much I play around with the values.

  0  
  0  
#3
Options
Re:Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency
2025-05-02 12:32:17 - last edited 2025-05-02 12:32:50

GE800, BE800, BE550, they all have the same problem, the QoS is broken, its activation congests the upload with latencies of almost a second. I also reported the problem at the beginning of the year, they didn't care.

 

My original post:

https://community.tp-link.com/en/home/forum/topic/745746

  0  
  0  
#4
Options
Re:Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency
2025-05-02 16:27:23

@Doc_Octopus 

 

True.

 

Hope they fix this.

 

On a side note I am really curious as to how C6 manages this better.

  0  
  0  
#5
Options
Re:Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency
2025-05-06 15:50:58
We have 2 xbox series X connected to the same network and, when one is updating, on the other console it is impossible to play due to the very high ping. I have to block the download while playing and reactivate it during the night hours.
  0  
  0  
#6
Options
Re:Enabling QoS (to mitigate bufferbloat) increases loaded latency
2025-05-23 14:04:01

  @chrsan01 

 

Installed the latest firmware 1.0.9 Build 20250417 rel.46306(5553) and no improvement whatsoever. 

 

Out of curiosity, does the paid version (Security+) offer any QoS options? I saw a ad which mentioned "better qos" on the paid plan.

  0  
  0  
#7
Options