KE100 early start - duration
I've found the posts that say have a gap between rules and that has worked so early start does something. Currently I have 90 minutes gap.
However none of my thermostats seem to run for more than 30-45 mins of early start and in my old Victorian house that is nowhere near long enough.
Do I just need to be patient and wait for them to learn or is there a maximum early start duration?
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Does the temperature reach the set value when the schedule begins? Please share screenshots of the temperature reports here.
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@Wayne-TP If it was reaching the set temperature when the schedule begins I wouldn't have asked the question!
I've attached an example of a radiator I want to reach 19 degrees by 7am. It "early starts" about 6:30am (having been in a period with no rules since 5:30am) but has only reached 15.8 at 7am.
The cause of it having erratic temperature after about 8am is down to my wife opening a window to let out steam so ignore that.
I'd have expected the valve to early start a lot earlier given how slowly that badly insulated room heats but it seems resolute on a 30 to 45 minute early start.
it isn't only one, they all do that.
As I asked in my post is there a maximum early start period or do I just have to wait longer for the valve to learn?
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What temperature is your boiler set to? If it’s set low or even turned off during a specific period, it could take longer to heat up.
To help us better understand your schedule, what temperatures are set for the time blocks before and after this 90-minute gap?
Please manually adjust the temperature and observe how much it rises during a 30 to 40-minute period.
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@Wayne-TP the boiler flow temperature isn't the issue. My issue isn't how long it takes to heat up.
The issue is that the KE100 is sold with early start, the promise being that the room will reach temperature at the set time.
My house is poorly insulated and takes a good two hours to heat up. After two weeks the thermostats are still only starting 30 minutes ahead. So, despite the claim they learn about your house they demonstrably aren't. If they were then they would be starting 2 hours early, or at least when the previous rule ended, but they aren't. They are at best 45 mins early or 30 mins, hard to tell from the graph.
Hence my question. Is there a limit on how early they will start? I've ended the previous rule with a 2 hour gap but the thermostat still hasn't figured out it needs to use that gap. Is it faulty by design or have I got 11 faulty by manufacture? Or am I somehow setting it wrong (although I don't see how)
Previously i used a Nest thermostat for the system and it happily figured out that it took 2 hours to heat a room and turned on accordingly, the KE100 doesn't seem to be as smart.
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@Wayne-TP the boiler flow temperature isn't the issue. My issue isn't how long it takes to heat up.
The issue is that the KE100 is sold with early start, the promise being that the room will reach temperature at the set time.
My house is poorly insulated and takes a good two hours to heat up. After two weeks the thermostats are still only starting 30 minutes ahead. So, despite the claim they learn about your house they demonstrably aren't. If they were then they would be starting 2 hours early, or at least when the previous rule ended, but they aren't. They are at best 45 mins early or 30 mins, hard to tell from the graph.
Hence my question. Is there a limit on how early they will start? I've ended the previous rule with a 2 hour gap but the thermostat still hasn't figured out it needs to use that gap. Is it faulty by design or have I got 11 faulty by manufacture? Or am I somehow setting it wrong (although I don't see how)
Previously i used a Nest thermostat for the system and it happily figured out that it took 2 hours to heat a room and turned on accordingly, the KE100 doesn't seem to be as smart.
Based on my understanding, this feature is not designed with self-learning capabilities. What did you see that gives you such indication?
I do not have specific information regarding its algorithm or design details. However, objective factors such as boiler temperature and house insulation can indeed affect the heating process. If your home has poor insulation and heats up slowly, we recommend starting your schedule earlier.
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@Wayne-TP In the app in the settings for Early Start it says "When Early Start is enabled, the smart device will ensure that the desired temperature is already reached at the start of a schedule block"
If the smart device is going to "ensure" that the temperature is reached then it will have to activate the valve early enough to acheive the temperature and the only way to do that is to understand the thermal characteristics of the environment it is operating in. A different approach would be to start a pre-determined time before but that (a) risks reaching temperature too early and wasting energy or (b) as in my case missing the temperature; neither would be a "smart device".
So you are confirming the valves don't actually "ensure" the temperature despite claiming to?
p21 of the product manual makes the same claim https://static.tp-link.com/upload/manual/2024/202412/20241210/1910013827_KE100(EU)_UG_REV1.2.0.pdf
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