Powerline bridges with neighbours

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Powerline bridges with neighbours
Powerline bridges with neighbours
2020-03-03 08:46:36 - last edited 2020-03-03 08:48:59
Model: TL-WPA4220 KIT  
Hardware Version: V3
Firmware Version: 3.0.3

Hello!

 

Some time ago, I bought powerline adapters for my house. Recently, I discovered that some of my devices sometimes ended up connecting to the network of my neighbour. Some google searches made it clear that this was caused by the powerline adapters that created a bridge via the grid to the neighbours.

 

Does anyone know a solution for this?

I did find something about a filter that could be installed to prevent signals crossing between our homes, but I could not find such a filter online.

 

Thanks in advance for the help!

 

~Joep

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Re:Powerline bridges with neighbours
2020-03-04 06:08:56

@Joep01 

 

Hi Joep, that is a little weird. Generally speaking, the powerline adapter boosts wifi signal via the power line, but the communication between the two adapters is encrypted since you paired them. 

 

It is rare that your devices will connect to the neighbors' network via the powerline network; may I know how did you verify that? 

 

Anyway, you can change the network name manually to pair them again, do not use the default one. 

https://www.tp-link.com/support/faq/1616/ 

 

 

 

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Re:Powerline bridges with neighbours
2020-03-04 14:38:09

@Kevin_Z 

 

Hi Kevin,

 

Thank you very much for your reply!

 

Our network is at the moment completely connected using only UTP cables, except for the powerline modules, and the neighbours do not have our wifi login codes so they could not be connected via wifi.

I also called our internet provider, and they could confirm that there is no bridging between our houses in the glassfiber cables that connect our local networks to the internet.

Therefore, the only possible link between our networks could be the powerline network.

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Re:Powerline bridges with neighbours
2020-03-06 07:44:28

@Joep01 

 

I see, thanks a lot. There may have a coincidence that you paired the powerline adapters with your neighbors synchronously. 

 

Like I mentioned above, you can reset the current powerline adapters and then use the tpPLC utility to create a customized network name for both to pair them. Then other powerline adapters won't be able to join it until they get the network name. 

 

May it help. 

 

 

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Re:Powerline bridges with neighbours
2021-04-01 20:38:12

@Kevin_Z 

Allthough this seems to be a date post - I can confirm that I have experienced this issue as well. The Powerline adapter was connected to my Extreme Networks switch, and I can confirm that the MAC addresses that I recorded during this incident (I was able to get a DHCP lease from my neighbors DHCP server) linked to the ip addresses were all installed in the forward information base (CAM Table) of the switch on the port that was attached to the power-line adapter. 

I have my doubts about the integrity of the product, and will proceed with further investigating the reliability of the key exchange between products - as I have been capable to reproduce the issue 3 times, I have my doubts that the supposedly used AES native encryption as stated in your brochure has been implemented to satisfactory levels. 

It is a shame, as the product has shown to have some real potential for the hard to reach places in my home where cabling is difficult to install. Performance is also pretty ok.... but this security incident is an absolute no-go. 

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Re:Powerline bridges with neighbours
2021-04-02 08:48:18

@Me6 Hello, 

 

TP-Link powerline devices use the name HomePlugAV by default, and therefore they can form a network once plugged on the same electrical circuit. 

There is a small chance that your powerline devices link to a different powerline network  if your neighbour happens to use tp-link powerline unit with default powerline network name. 

 

You could generate a random network name for your powerline KIT to avoid that happen:  

https://www.tp-link.com/support/faq/1616/ 

 

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Re:Powerline bridges with neighbours
2021-04-02 23:45:58

TPLink staff, please stop pretending that this is a random event that happens to some only. Just have a look at the number of views of this post. Also a Google search would suffice too. You need to do something about that. 

Your suggested solution is this case is to setup a custom network name using PLC software. Although your PLC software has very limited features, this can be done. However, your instructions page says: "Now only the powerline devices using the same name can join this network". How do I make sure that my new powerline device use the new name?

On the other note, have you ever tried to find a pairing button on your powerline adapters? Not while they are on your desk, but while they are connected to the power socket located close to the ground behind the working desk that has 3 sides (common office configuration)? I bet not.

I also have TPLink ADSL network router and a range extender devices. Range extender is a joke in many aspects, wasted money. Very disapointed... 

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Re:Powerline bridges with neighbours
2021-04-11 06:49:37

@Joep01 

 

I have just noticed that my neighbor and I are suffering the same issue. It gets interesting though...

 

He has a pair of Netgear PowerLine adapters and I'm using TPLink PowerLine adapters. We're seeing each other devices on our respective networks as wired devices. On top of that we're able to control any device connected via wi-fi. 

 

Did you ever find a solution?

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Re:Powerline bridges with neighbours
2021-04-11 20:03:40
The solution is simple. Many PLC vendors, including Netgear and TP-Link, ship their adapters with the default encryption key enabled. That's convenient because everything instantly connects, even when not from the same packaged pair of adapters, but for the exact same reason it's also not a good thing to have. Just redo your own adapter pairing with a new passkey, preferably a random passkey generated via pairing button, and ask your neighbour to do the same with his stuff.
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Re:Powerline bridges with neighbours
2021-04-12 23:28:18

@ChrisHoppyBot 

 

Sadly, I have not been able to fix the problem. I have tried pairing the adapters again, and sometimes that worked for a while, but eventually, the networks always connected again. I also tried changing the internal keys, but could not find a way to do that with tp-link adapters (although I believe netgear adapters should be easy to change).

 

After a lot of trying to fix the problem, I just decided to circumvent the problem by buying a powerfull ubiquity router, which has great range and speed and has so far worked without problems.

 

The closest I ever came to a solution was placing some sort of denoiser / filter on the incoming power grid connection that would prevent any signals from outside the local electricity network from entering or vice versa, but it was quite vague what I would need exactly and I couldn't really find a place to buy such filters. At least not ones that could handle the current draw of an entire house and were also somewhat affordable.

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