HS210 - 3 Wire or 5 Wire

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HS210 - 3 Wire or 5 Wire
HS210 - 3 Wire or 5 Wire
2019-10-26 17:39:13 - last edited 2019-10-26 17:40:38
Model: HS210  
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I bought the HS210 to replace both of my standard 3-way switches. Everything I read and researched online said nothing about needing 5 wires. The only "important" factor I saw was neutral was needed. Why is this not listed anywhere that you need 5 wires? 

I do have 5 wires at one of the old switch boxes, however only 4 wires at the other switch box. When I turn the light on from one of the switches, the other switch doesn't work. Also, many times I cannot use the app to switch it either. I then have to reset the switch and twice I have had to go back and reinstall the switches set-up through the app. I have had a neighbor who has been a certified electrician for 20+ years (knows nothing about smart devices) double check all of my wiring. 

Can I just use the basic wiring and have the "Travelers" be Wi-Fi? I know it might take an extra second or two since everything has to be sent out through the internet. However, I can wait a second or two and have it work properly, than constantly fighting with it to work.

Any serious help is greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

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Re:HS210 - 3 Wire or 5 Wire
2019-10-28 18:49:33

@Lythman 

 

What is the wire that was missing from the second switch?

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Re:HS210 - 3 Wire or 5 Wire
2019-10-29 18:42:51

@Tony   I hope this pic helps. I'm an Network & Server Admin for my career. But somehow home electrical out smarts me all the time.

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Re:HS210 - 3 Wire or 5 Wire
2019-10-29 20:18:13

@Lythman 

Do you have a before picture?

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Re:HS210 - 3 Wire or 5 Wire
2019-11-05 19:24:13

@Tony @B.Will 

 

Here is the downstairs box and wires. There are two switches a lot of extra wires.

The only the wires connected to the downstairs switch were the three wrapped together on left.

 

Downstairs switch before

 

Downstairs switch after

 

Upstairs Switch Before  --- This only shows the switch after the wires were cut, but you can see only three wires were connected.

 

Upstairs switch after   --- No additional black “Traveler” wire

 

I don’t know if you or someone can help with my problem. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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Re:HS210 - 3 Wire or 5 Wire
2019-11-06 16:59:12

@Lythman 

 

Here is a FAQ that gives some helpful information: https://www.tp-link.com/us/support/faq/2009/

 

The setup that you are working with mainly with the four wires seems to be that your outlets may be 4 way outlets.

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Re:HS210 - 3 Wire or 5 Wire
2019-11-06 18:53:55

@Tony 

Tony, 

Thanks, I've been to that FAQ page before, however I think I might see I went wrong or can do a (SAFE) work around. I will let you know what happens.

Kris

 

P.S. If I don't respond for a few weeks I either burned my fingers really bad or burned down my house. LOL

Just joking... I know, especially on something you don't know, SAFETY FIRST. 

The above sentence is directed to future users who might read this.

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Re:HS210 - 3 Wire or 5 Wire
2019-11-06 19:08:29

@Lythman 

 

Very good point.

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Re:HS210 - 3 Wire or 5 Wire
2019-11-07 01:58:20 - last edited 2019-11-07 02:00:49

@Lythman 

 

Put the upstairs dumb switch back in, you only need 1 of the 210 switches for it to work.

On the downstairs 210 using the original 3 wires, put the white and red to the travelers, Black to the common.

White from the switch goes to the group of white wires in the box that has the yellow wirenut.

 

Sorry for the delay getting back to you.

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Re:HS210 - 3 Wire or 5 Wire
2019-11-07 17:20:41

 

@B.Will 

Thanks for the idea and assistance. The only problem is, I am anal retentive, I like having the switches in the correct position.  In other words, if the lights are on, the switch (switches) are both up, if off then down. Or in the case of (most) smart switches just in one position. So putting a "dumb" switch back is not an option for me. I know, I like to make things harder on myself then they have to be.

However, I also paid for these switches to work properly as described on the website and information. Also, the step by step instructions on the app are not exactly for the HS210, probably the 200 or another previous model. Another thing, too many of these companies rely on auto translate software vs. proper localization. So, the instructions aren't always clear. They should at least have it re-written (localized) to English by professionals, hopefully that know electrical. With the amount of units they claim to sell, it would cost the consumer probably $2 per unit extra. 

 

Sorry rant done. 

From what you said, could I just do the same thing on both units "put the white and red to the travelers, Black to the common." That is what I was going to try later today. Well the one I was hoping on the most.

Thanks @B.Will 

 

Any other ideas from anyone else still welcome also.

 

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Re:HS210 - 3 Wire or 5 Wire
2019-11-07 17:31:50

@Lythman 

 

I did not see a picture of what wires are in the upstairs box, so I don't know if there is a neutral up there.

I assumed not, that why I said to only install one 210.

 

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