Smart Connect vs Same SSID

Smart Connect vs Same SSID

Smart Connect vs Same SSID
Smart Connect vs Same SSID
3 weeks ago - last edited 3 weeks ago
Model: Archer AX3000 Pro  
Hardware Version: V1
Firmware Version: V1

@Riley_S 

 

An AX3000 Pro is arriving tomorrow and have a few questions. The primary use of the router is a closed LAN system with no internet, so no concerns there. However, I will also be trying to connect it to my DSL Modem/Router through Transparent Bridge mode. (My existing WiFi functions on this old modem/router seem to be ailing, and I want to take advantage of 802.11ax on the new AX3000 router.)

 

I want to avoid TP-Link Smart Connect, but still use the AX3000 router in single network/SSID dual band mode. @Riley_S  is the only person that I have found, that states that one can achieve this by assigning both the 2.4 and 5 Ghz band to the same SSID name:

 

Quoted from from this TP-Link thread:

https://community.tp-link.com/us/home/forum/topic/607460?sortDir=ASC&page=1

(sorry, cannot get the hyperlink function to work posting this link)

 

“Smart Connect Disabled Same SSID - One Network will show in the list of available networks, your device will shift between the two bands automatically. This is often used if you find that the Smart Connect Feature is not moving the devices between bands in the way you want. Note that you will not be able to force devices to use a specific band when the same SSID is being used, however, if a device only supports 2.4Ghz it will have no problem.”

 

First, if I attempt this, I have to assume that I would also need to match the passwords on both bands?

 

Second, what actually is different from using it this way or using Smart Connect?

 

I can see from the AX3000 Pro GUI emulator on-line, that when I choose the Smart Connect function, 3 critical WiFi settings disappear: Channel Width, Channel, and Mode. These are the settings that I still need to control and why I am trying to avoid Smart Control.

 

Will I still be able to control these settings on each band, if I choose the “Smart Connect Disabled Same SSID” method?

 

I have 2 computers, 1 tablet, 1 phone (all Apple products), and then, 1 camera, and three other home devices that are stuck on 2.4GHz. The main reason I need to be on the same WiFi network/SSID is that most devices need to communicate with each other and to do this they require to be on the same network/SSID.

 

FYI, I have no WiFi interference concerns or WiFi traffic concerns. And not sure about the hardware version that I was forced to input above, as I do not have the product yet.

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Re:Smart Connect vs Same SSID
3 weeks ago - last edited 3 weeks ago

  @FrakeTrain 

 

"TP-Link Smart Connect allows the router to automatically assign connected devices to the Wi-Fi band that provides the fastest speed. By balancing the load and assigning devices to the most appropriate band, Smart Connect can reduce delays and interruptions.

When Smart Connect enabled, the router’s 2.4GHz and 5GHz networks share the same SSID (network name) and password. You can enjoy a seamless connection between 2.4GHz and 5GHz networks" - details.

 

As stated above:

“Smart Connect Disabled Same SSID - One Network will show in the list of available networks, your device will shift between the two bands automatically. This is often used if you find that the Smart Connect Feature is not moving the devices between bands in the way you want. Note that you will not be able to force devices to use a specific band when the same SSID is being used, however, if a device only supports 2.4Ghz it will have no problem.”

 

When Smart Connect is enabled, you can't modify Channel Width, Wireless Channel, and Mode.

When Smart Connect is disabled (Same SSID), you don't have to match the passwords on both bands - they could be different.

When Smart Connect is disabled (Same SSID), the device itself will decide to which band it should connect.

 

When Smart Connect is disabled (Same SSID) and you want to force a laptop (for example) to connect to a specific band you could check on the network adapter properties of the laptop - there should be a setting to select the preferred band (2.4GHz or 5 GHz).

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Re:Smart Connect vs Same SSID
3 weeks ago

  @terziyski Thank you for the reply, however from your reply, it looks like I was not understood.

 

Let me try to explain in a different way:

 

I am well versed in the features of Smart Connect and cannot use this function. I cannot have load balancing bouncing my devices from 5 GHz to 2.4 GHz and I'm trying to keep my channels static (Auto Channel mode off). I also cannot use different SSIDs with Smart Connect disabled, as my devices will lose certain inter-device communication features if they are on different WiFi network/SSIDs. The thread link provided in my original post is from @Riley_S on 2023-05-01. This person has explained that there are actually three methods:

 

1. Smart Connect Enabled (cannot use)

2. Smart Connect Disabled - Different SSID (cannot use)

3. Smart Connect Disabled Same SSID

 

I am specifically interested in method #3, which is not explained in any manual that I have seen. And I will again pose the 3 questions asked in my original post about method #3.

 

1. If I use method #3, do I also need to use the same password? (I can't see how it would work if I didn't)

2. What are the actual functional differences between method #1 and method #3? (ie. is load balancing not a feature in method #3)

3. And if I can get method #3 to work, will I be able to use the Channel Width, Channel, and Mode settings on each band?

 

These questions are posed for someone who is very familiar with method #3.

 

ps. I do understand that if method #3 works, and the WiFi signal on my devices on the 5 GHz band get weaker than the 2.4 GHz band, due to walls/distance etc., then my device will switch to the stronger 2.4 GHz band. (I currently have a router that does this, but I am not concerned with this type of automatic band jump)

 

Thanks for your time

 

 

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Re:Smart Connect vs Same SSID
3 weeks ago

  @FrakeTrain.

The three 'methods' arent really formal configurations, just the different ways that Smart Connect can be used and what it does.

 

 

2 - Different SSID - This allows your devices to see and choose between the correct network, with each being treated as its own Wi-Fi > however they will be able to still communicate as this level of communication is based on if they are in the same network, irregardless of band or wired v wireless. What devices do you have that cause problems with this? This is the most customizable and straightforward option when it comes to networking and should work with most setups and devices so it is strange to see a device not work with this method.

 

3 - Same SSID is a dumbed-down version of Smart Connect and basically removes the impact the router has on band switching. In this setup, the responsibility of choosing the best band will fall on the client devices - but your devices, unless configured otherwise, will still switch bands. Method 3 is most similar to the setups that you would see in business environments as this is how your device will move between different APs. 

 

 

Here is a screenshot from the emulator of the settings with Smart Connect disabled, feel free to check it out yourself: AX3000 Pro Emulator

I think you may be getting mixed up in that those settings actually only appear when Smart Connect is disabled, turning the feature on will cause the needed options to disappear

 

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Re:Smart Connect vs Same SSID
3 weeks ago

  @Riley_S Thank you for your reply, especially from one of your posts more than a year ago.

 

I appreciate you posting the emulator GUI for this router, but as I mentioned in my original post, I have already viewed the emulator and that is where I knew what functions disappeared after selecting the Smart Control function. It is great that TP-Link allows users to see the GUIs before purchase. The manuals just don't compare in figuring out if the specific model fits customer needs.

 

Of the 3 questions I asked, I still need #1 answered. If I use method #3 (Smart Connect Disabled Same SSID), is my assumption correct that if I use the exact same SSID on both bands, that I will also need to use the exact same password on both bands? (seems like the router would get very confused if I didn't) Or will it just default to the 2.4GHz password and ignore the 5GHz password?

 

And on my questions #2 and #3, from your answer, it looks like if I use method #3 (Smart Connect Disabled Same SSID), then I won't have the router performing load balancing (automatic band switching) and I will be able to use the Channel Width, Channel, and Mode settings on each band? Please confirm if this understanding is correct?

 

Any confusion here lies in the fact that TP-Link did not document that I could set this router up in method #3 (Smart Connect Disabled Same SSID). I have very specific needs and my current modem/router is functioning this way and I need to duplicate this method. Had I not seen your post from last year, I would not have purchased this router.

 

As far as your question about what devices I am having problems with communicating with each other if they are signed on to two different SSIDs from the same router; let me explain. We need to establish that I will be using the terms "WiFi network" and "SSID" synonomously, and that the communication needs to happen locally (no internet). Since I am currently on the Apple ecosphere, I require the use of numerous Apple inter-device operability functions such as HomeKit, Continuity and Hand-off, and Bonjour. In the operation manuals for these functions, they all require that the user be on the same SSID for them to "see" each other. And that has been my experience with all my past routers.

 

For example, I have multiple computers that need to transfer large amounts of data using the Apple network protocol Bonjour. If I setup my current router/modem with an SSID on the 2.4GHz band and a different SSID on the 5GHz band, and I have one computer signed into the 2.4GHz SSID and another computer on the 5GHz SSID, these two computers will not "see" each other on the local network and I will have to switch one of the computers SSID network to match the other. This has been my experience with other routers, devices and other Apple inter-device functions as well.

 

You seem to suggest that this should not be the case with this TP-Link router. I have read that some routers have some sort of internal "bridge" function between the two separate SSIDs that allows the devices that are on seperate SSIDs to see each other on the local network. Is this what you are talking about? In my past experience, this has not been the case for me.

 

The router just arrived, so I will do some testing. Please if you could, answer the questions posed above.

 

Thank you very much for your time.

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Re:Smart Connect vs Same SSID
3 weeks ago

  @FrakeTrain 

 

A user here....

 

 If you use the same ssid and  password, the devices would pick either the 5 or the 2.4 network. If you use same ssid and different password, I would think there would be an issue with the device selecting the correct one. Does all your devices support two ssids named the same? 

 

Not sure why you are so set on using the same  ssid when you need to control which network each device is on. The device is the main factor which selects which wifi to connect to, not the router. 
 

I use separate ssids so I can control which network my devices are on including the quest network. On some of my devices I have multiple ssids set up and let it pick the best one such as my iPad. 
 

you could get better control of your network if you use something like pfsense or opnsense, but that takes a lot of design, hardware, and work to make it happen. Can you use Ethernet instead of wifi?

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Re:Smart Connect vs Same SSID
3 weeks ago

   @ArcherC8 Thanks for your input.

 

"Does all your devices support two ssids named the same?"

I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. What should be happening is that naming the two SSIDs the same, broadcasts only one SSID available to all devices, so they do not "see" two separate SSIDs named the same. (The router should only broadcast one SSID just like the Smart Connect function does)

 

"Not sure why you are so set on using the same  ssid when you need to control which network each device is on"

As I pointed out above, on my current and previous routers, when I have two different SSIDs, my devices are not able to communicate with each other on the local network.

It would be great if I could setup two different SSIDs on this router, and all my devices would inter-operate. I will test in the next few days.

 

"Can you use Ethernet instead of wifi?"

I do have two off-grid inverters communicating with my router via ethernet, but as for all my in-house devices, I have to stay on wifi.

 

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