Introducing AI QoS: Elevate Your Gaming Experience on the Archer GE800 Gaming Router!

Introducing AI QoS: Elevate Your Gaming Experience on the Archer GE800 Gaming Router!

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Re:Introducing AI QoS: Elevate Your Gaming Experience on the Archer GE800 Gaming Router!
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  @Vendex ...but wouldn't a pause create latency spikes?

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Re:Introducing AI QoS: Elevate Your Gaming Experience on the Archer GE800 Gaming Router!
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  @Jaybonaut that’s a common misconception! While the word 'pause' sounds like it would cause a spike, these pauses happen at the microsecond level-far too fast for a human or even a game engine to perceive as a lag spike.

The real latency spikes occur when flow control is off. Without it, if a buffer overflows, the packets are simply dropped. Your system then has to detect the missing data and request a retransmission (TCP retransmission), which takes significantly more time than a tiny flow control pause.

Think of flow control like a smart traffic light that keeps cars moving steadily, whereas turning it off is like having no lights at all-eventually, a crash occurs, and everything stops until the mess is cleared. For gaming on a router like the GE800, a steady flow is always better than 'fast but broken' data delivery :)

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Re:Introducing AI QoS: Elevate Your Gaming Experience on the Archer GE800 Gaming Router!
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  @Vendex 

 

This isn't entirely accurate for gaming.  Things like competitive games prioritize latency 100% (this is why they operate on UDP).  The game cannot pause processing and will not request or wait for your retries.  In applications where milliseconds matter, packet loss is preferable to latency.  They are constantly trasmitting small packets to update game state (~60 pps) and the timeliness of their arrival is much more critical for the whole thing to work than whether or not a couple of them are missing.  Flow control is for data integrity, not minimizing latency.  Queued packets are generally the cause of "rubber banding" in online games.

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  @jfunk exactly, for dedicated competitive scenarios, avoiding queued packets is key to preventing rubber banding. However, instead of relying on a binary setting like flow control to manage this, that's where the AI QoS on the GE800 really shines.
While flow control handles the physical link stability, AI qos identifies game packets and ensures they jump to the front of the line without being delayed by other heavy traffic. This effectively solves the latency issue you mentioned without risking the packet loss that can occur when buffers are simply left to overflow. Ultimately, if you're running a clean network solely for gaming, turning off flow control might give you that raw edge, but for most living room scenarios, the AI-driven optimization is a much more surgical way to keep latency at absolute zero

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Re:Introducing AI QoS: Elevate Your Gaming Experience on the Archer GE800 Gaming Router!
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  @Vendex 

 

...so, Flow Control on or off then?  Conflicting replies.  ...also, what about at the NIC settings?  (not just the router flow control?)

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@Jaybonaut 

 

Vendex and jfunk provided very theoretical and detailed explanations and debates for Flow Control feature on the router. To be honest, both of them are extremely professional, even surpassing my own understanding of Flow Control.yesyesyes

 

To conclude, it's recommended to keep Flow Control enabled on the GE800 to ensure optimal traffic management for connected devices.

 

However, if you experience a specific issue with gaming or the network, I'm happy to escalate your case to our support engineers for further investigation to determine whether it's caused by the Flow Control setting.

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  @Kevin_Z 

Hi Kevin, I have a problem, the MTU must support 1500 for PPPEO. I only use 1492 and that causes internet speed problems. Waiting for TP-Link: The GE800 is a high-end gaming router. You can submit a request to TP-Link Support for a firmware update that supports "Baby Jumbo Frames" (RFC 4638) for KPN/PPPoE.That's confirmation: the firmware of the TP-Link Archer GE800 does not currently support RFC 4638. Without this support, the router cannot send the necessary 1508 bytes (1500 data + 8 PPPoE overhead) over the WAN port, so you are stuck with 1492.

With a 4Gbps connection this is a major problem for two reasons:

Packet fragmentation: Because almost all servers on the Internet send 1500 bytes, your router has to "shop" every incoming packet into smaller pieces. This eats up the processor capacity.

CPU Bottleneck: As mentioned earlier, TP-Link handles PPPoE on a single processor core. Due to the extra fragmentation, that core reaches its limit much faster, so your speed is probably stuck somewhere between 1.5 and 2.2 Gbps.

 

@Pro-gamer 

 

I saw you opened another thread to submit this request earlier here.

 

I'm not seeing other home routers support "Baby Jumbo Frames" (RFC 4638) and allow for configuring the MTU larger than 1500. Do you know any brand or model that supports it already? Kindly share more details with me, and it will be more convincing when we submit feature requests to the development team.

 

BTW, I also wonder whether the speed problems are caused by the MTU settings on the GE800? How did you determine that? I remember that you can achieve 3 Gbps when your GE800 is running the official 1.2.1 firmware. How about now? With the latest Archer GE800(EU)_V1_1.3.2 Build 20250929 official version, what is the speed you can get?

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Re:Introducing AI QoS: Elevate Your Gaming Experience on the Archer GE800 Gaming Router!
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  @Kevin_Z Actually, it would be necessary to fix the firmware in this regard...

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23 hours ago - last edited 23 hours ago

  @Kevin_Z 

I get a wireless speed test around 3500 mps firmware is 1.3.2 my provider is pppeo and on mtu I can only use 1492 MTU or lower on 1500 MTU yesterday I had a connection problem PS5 online game I immediately checked my connection and speedtt says 2200 mps I researched on google and it says because your router does not give 1500 mtu but 1492 that is the reason why the connection is heppering

KPN Box 14 (Arcadyan):

Brand: Arcadyan

Model: ERV67AX348B

Wi-Fi: Wi-Fi 6 (802.11ax)

Speed: Suitable for 4 Gbit/s

Functionality: Supports mesh networks with suitable KPN equipment. their own modem can operate at 1500 mtu if next firmware update comes for "Baby Jumbo Frames" (RFC 4638) then all connection problems would be solved for pppeo mtu 1500. Too bad I use provider PPPEO if it uses DHCP (Dynamic IP) then the router would automatically switch 1500 mtu

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  @Kevin_Z pfSense / OPNsense: DIY firewalls with suitable NICs (e.g. Intel igb driver) support this functionality.

OpenWrt: Suitable for various hardware, provided the PPPoE connection and underlying switch hardware (802.1Q) can handle this.

Ubiquiti EdgeRouter/UniFi: Select models support an MTU of 1508 on the WAN port via configuration to achieve 1500 over PPPoE.

TP-Link: TP-Link community requests suggest newer models are updated for RFC 4638. 

Important notes:

The Internet Service Provider (ISP) must also support this.

It is a commonly used solution for fiber optic (such as KPN networks) and VDSL connections with

PPPoE.

as you can see tp-link is working to support this but I'm afraid. not for ge800 if we do get it that would be nice

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