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Re:Introducing AI QoS: Elevate Your Gaming Experience on the Archer GE800 Gaming Router!
Sunday

  @Zeryoung It is definitely strange that even in Bridge mode you don't see a significant improvement. However, one very important detail often overlooked is physical interference. When you were testing the GE800, did you make sure to completely disable the Wi-Fi radios (2.4GHz and 5GHz) on your ISP modem?

If both devices are sitting close to each other and both are broadcasting Wi-Fi signals, they will create massive interference and 'noise' on the wireless channels. This can lead to packet loss and higher latency, which would explain why the gameplay feels better when you use only the modem.

Also, have you checked if the GE800 is using the exact same cables as the modem? Sometimes a faulty Cat5e/6 cable between the modem and the router can bottleneck a high-end device like this. Since my experience with the firmware is completely stable, I still suspect there might be a localized environmental factor or a specific hardware handshake issue between your ISP equipment and the router

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Re:Introducing AI QoS: Elevate Your Gaming Experience on the Archer GE800 Gaming Router!
Sunday
Hi @Vendex, Thank you and the way your thinking is very very good. Everything you said till now, believe me, I tried literally everything. I do not want to say it for you not to reply about possible things I maybe did not try, but believe me I am very knowlegdeable in this area. Last 1 half year I searched and tested everything with different setups. I bought this router, like 3/4 months ago, the reason is because I wanted the best. I wanted a plug and play router and that covered all areas for now but also future proof. Believe me, everything from the tinesty of delay, interference, etc etc. I know a lot. Maybe on PC the issues are different or maybe the same, but I am sure that on the console side of things it is not giving the results I expect. Thank you than again for your out of the box thinking. Greetings,
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Re:Introducing AI QoS: Elevate Your Gaming Experience on the Archer GE800 Gaming Router!
Monday

So I’ve finally settled on my decision: I’m moving to the UniFi ecosystem. I ordered the Cloud Gateway Fiber yesterday at a good price. It’s as powerful as the GE800 (same CPU), but this time with 3 GB of RAM. It doesn’t have Wi-Fi built in though, but I also ordered a Wi-Fi 7 Pro AP from the same company.

 

I think I’m done with ‘gaming’ routers,  they don’t seem to bring much value at all. (from all the experienced I had with few of them) UniFi looks like a solid solution, costs about the same (router + AP), and is future-proof since I can add Wi-Fi 8 APs later, cameras, other things. The OS also seems very deep and with tons of options.

 

I tried the GL.iNet Flint 3 and it was really good, but it lacked some features, like having only a few 10G ports.

 

The GE800 has been too problematic for me. It has really great hardware, but unfortunately the firmware doesn’t live up to it. The router came out at the end of 2024 and is still unstable.

Anyway, I wish you all the best and hope the next firmware resolves most of your issues.

And thanks @Kevin_Z for the help you provide during this time.

 

 

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Re:Introducing AI QoS: Elevate Your Gaming Experience on the Archer GE800 Gaming Router!
Monday

  @Kevin_Z 

Hi Kevin, I have a problem, the MTU must support 1500 for PPPEO. I only use 1492 and that causes internet speed problems. Waiting for TP-Link: The GE800 is a high-end gaming router. You can submit a request to TP-Link Support for a firmware update that supports "Baby Jumbo Frames" (RFC 4638) for KPN/PPPoE.That's confirmation: the firmware of the TP-Link Archer GE800 does not currently support RFC 4638. Without this support, the router cannot send the necessary 1508 bytes (1500 data + 8 PPPoE overhead) over the WAN port, so you are stuck with 1492.

With a 4Gbps connection this is a major problem for two reasons:

Packet fragmentation: Because almost all servers on the Internet send 1500 bytes, your router has to "shop" every incoming packet into smaller pieces. This eats up the processor capacity.

CPU Bottleneck: As mentioned earlier, TP-Link handles PPPoE on a single processor core. Due to the extra fragmentation, that core reaches its limit much faster, so your speed is probably stuck somewhere between 1.5 and 2.2 Gbps.

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Re:Introducing AI QoS: Elevate Your Gaming Experience on the Archer GE800 Gaming Router!
Monday

  @Kevin_Z a famous commercial mentioned that: power is nothing without control and in my opinion it applies very well to the above mentioned top of the range router

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Re:Introducing AI QoS: Elevate Your Gaming Experience on the Archer GE800 Gaming Router!
Monday - last edited Monday

every manufacturer is required to provide proper features and no restrictions should be imposed and this causes internet problems every device has MTU 1500 but tp link blocks it to 1492 . 

They need to fix this as soon as possible

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Monday - last edited Monday

  The answer I will get is already clear. Have you tested it? Where is the problem? What are the settings? We are saying that it is a ridiculous problem, but who cares? At this rate, TP-Link will lose a lot of customers. Leave it restricted, do not block the features that should be there. MTU 1500 add it, problem solved

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Re:Introducing AI QoS: Elevate Your Gaming Experience on the Archer GE800 Gaming Router!
Monday

  @Pro-gamer, while RFC 4638 support for MTU 1500 over PPPoE is a valid technical request for a flagship like the GE800, the claim that MTU 1492 causes a 50% drop in performance due to CPU bottlenecking seems very unlikely for this hardware.

The GE800 features a powerful 2.2GHz Quad-Core CPU designed to handle much heavier loads than simple packet fragmentation. Furthermore, many ISPs don't even support Baby Jumbo Frames on their end, making the MTU 1492 (or 1480 in some regions) the standard operating procedure.

In my professional experience working for an ISP, if the MTU settings match the provider's requirements, the performance remains stable. If someone is seeing their speed drop from 4Gbps to 1.5Gbps, the issue is likely elsewhere-perhaps in the PPPoE implementation itself or how the ISP handles high-bandwidth authentication, rather than just the lack of RFC 4638.

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Re:Introducing AI QoS: Elevate Your Gaming Experience on the Archer GE800 Gaming Router!
Monday

Weird noob question:  is it bad to turn off any and all 'flow control' options?

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Re:Introducing AI QoS: Elevate Your Gaming Experience on the Archer GE800 Gaming Router!
Monday - last edited Monday

  @Jaybonaut that’s actually a very valid question! For a high-end router like the GE800, it is generally not recommended to turn off flow control unless you have a very specific reason and a perfectly optimized network environment.

Flow control (802.3x) acts as a traffic management system between your router and the connected devices. When one device is receiving data faster than it can process, it sends a pause frame to prevent the buffers from overflowing.

If you disable it, instead of a tiny pause, you might experience packet loss. When packets are dropped, they have to be resent, which causes jitter and spikes in latency-exactly what you want to avoid in gaming. Especially with 2.5G or 10G ports, flow control helps keep the data stream steady and synchronized. I’d suggest keeping it enabled for the best stability

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