MR600 v1/v2/v3 4G/+ External Antenna Information (LPDA MIMO) Australia - John VK3HJQ

MR600 v1/v2/v3 4G/+ External Antenna Information (LPDA MIMO) Australia - John VK3HJQ

MR600 v1/v2/v3 4G/+ External Antenna Information (LPDA MIMO) Australia - John VK3HJQ
MR600 v1/v2/v3 4G/+ External Antenna Information (LPDA MIMO) Australia - John VK3HJQ
2021-08-04 14:28:24 - last edited 2022-11-02 03:09:54
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Model: Archer MR600  
Hardware Version: V2
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MR600 v1/v2/v3 4G/+ External Antenna Information

LPDA(Log-periodic dipole array)

MIMO(Multiple Input - Multiple Output)

Australia (AU) - John vk3hjq 

 

 

**NOTE**: Refresh the page for current updates.

Please check the specifications for use in other countries other then Australia, the information here relates to the Archer MR600 versions 1, 2 & 3 plus any other models fitted with 2 x Detachable 4G LTE Antennas.

 

TIPS :

1. Be wary of some antennas claiming incorrect & or inflated gain (dBi) figures.

2. Keep coax cable runs as short as possible to reduce signal loss.

3. Use good quality LOW LOSS coax like LMR400, do not use the thin type coax which have massive losses.

4,Use a phone app to find the closest Mobile/Cell tower for correct antenna alignment.

5. Be wary of over head power lines when erecting antennas.

6. Keep antennas away from metal structures & clear of trees for line of sight to the cell tower/s

7. A must is correct earthing, to reduce Static & protect against lightning.

 

https://www.tp-link.com/au/home-networking/3g-4g-router/archer-mr600/

 

 

 

 

Quick summary

 

Mobile Van Setup Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd2r-8Dm4oY

 

 

 

 

 

 

NOTE:  MR600 will auto switch from 2X2 MIMO (2 Antennas - AUX & Main) to MISO/SISO (1 Antenna - Main) if the signal strength is too low. 

 

 

RF Connectivity

 

Portable speed & range tests 

Queensland Australia

(A little Queensland Australia test drive - Wow 13,000km [8077 miles]) 

 

TP-Link Archer MR600 V2 (Cat 6) 12Volt Solar powered.

Maximum speed achieved with 2 x LPDA (10-11dBi) Antennas was 140Mbps/40Mbps (2X2 MIMO 4G+) @ *8km's from the cell tower, compared to 1 x magnetic mount 7dBi antenna on the roof @ 40Mbps/20Mbps (MISO/SISO). 

 

 

 

Test @ a No Signal location

**10.8km from the closer cell tower with Mountains in between, in a NO Signal area according to the phone app, but the Signal still got through, even though is was a bit slow. (13.0Mbps/1.47Mbps @ 52ms MISO/SISO).

 

 

https://static-community.tp-link.com/attach/27/9/2021/2c0c0cdd24574b81b3875f898689507a.mp4

Full Video here.....(1:03) https://youtu.be/Vd2r-8Dm4oY

 

 

 

Antennas laying down on the roof, not far from the cell tower/s, great reception (4G+ 2X2 MIMO Full Signal).

 

 

 

 

Higher gain in dBi, equates to longer length of the LPDA Antenna. 

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Technical info

 

NOTE: The LPDA Antenna is feed from the front, meaning the coax is connected to the front of the Antenna & not the back.

 

 

 

 

 

MISO/SISO Connection

1 external LPDA Antenna

 

Never EVER use these types of 2 way splitters ('Y' patch lead) to connect 1 Antenna to the 2 Antennas ports (Main / Aux).

 

Always have 2 Antennas connected, it will NOT work with ONLY the AUX Antenna connected, (unless a very high signal is present) but it will work with the Main Antenna connected.

NOTE: (Never leave the Antenna input open circuit with no 50ohm load connected, meaning always have both Antennas connected even if ONLY using 1 external LPDA Antenna)

 

 

1 Antenna (LPDA) Main (-45 Deg/135 Deg) connected to the Main Antenna Input for MISO/SISO operation. (MUST have internal Antenna still connected to AUX)

 

 

 

2X2 MIMO Connection

2 external LPDA Antennas

 

2 Antennas (LPDA) Main & AUX, AUX @ 45 Deg & Main @ 135 Deg (-45 Deg) then connect to the (Main & AUX) Antenna inputs respectively. 

 

Why you MUST mount the 2 LPDA  Antennas on a Slant Angle & Not Vertical or Horizontal for 2X2 MIMO operation

 

 

Good, Better & Best way to mount LPDA Antennas

 

 

 

You can mount the LPDA MIMO Antennas vertically on either the Right or Left (Left preferred) side of the mast/pole, always make sure the arrow/s on the LPDA Antenna/s is pointing up & the Antennas should be mounted a minimum of 42.8cm (1 wavelength @ 700MHz) apart & for Optimum performance, mount them 85.6cm (2 wavelengths @ 700MHz) apart.

You can also mount them the other way around if you require a better Main signal, (because of the Antenna spacing required) but this could drop your 2X2 MIMO signal out too & go back to 1X1 MISO/SISO operation, this means now having the Main @ the Top & AUX @ the Bottom/Underneath.

 

For the BEST performance, a better solution would be to mount them horizontally instead to allow for the Optimum spacing required @ 700MHz (lowest frequency used) of 85.6cm apart. (both LPDA Antennas MUST still be pointing up   @ the correct angle)

 

 

Some other LPDA Horizontal mounts

Not sure how far this bracket would space the Antennas apart, but @ a guess somewhere around 21.8cm by the looks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Less loss if you DONT need to use Patch Leads to the Modem/Router, sometimes it is necessary to do this for cable conversion & to stop your Modem/Router being pulled off the Bench/Table & it also makes it a lot easier to connect the heavy coax (LMR400) into your Modem/Router as well.

Adaptor can add >1 -1.5dB of loss, Remember 3dB is 1/2 your signal lost.

 

12dBi (9.85dBd / 9.85dB) & usually less gain @ the lower frequencies, down by a further >1dBi

 

 

What's inside LPDA Antennas.

 

 

 

 

Other types of LPDA Antennas, 2 are required for 2X2 MIMO operation.

8 -12dBi (694 - 3800MHz) @ 5G (3600MHz) 3dBi

 

DO NOT mount the 2 LPDA Antennas Vertical or Horizontal for 2X2 MIMO operation, they MUST be mounted on a Slant Angle as described previously

 Do Not mount the antennas Vertical or Horizontal for 2X2 MIMO operation, they MUST be mounted on a Slant Angle & the antennas need to be at least 1 wavelength apart, preferably 2 @ the lowest operating frequency used, as detailed previously.

 

Dish (Parabolic) High Gain Antennas

Always check the frequency range on Dish (Parabolic) Antenna feed horns (1700 - 3800MHz, 2 x 30dBi & 1700 - 2700MHz, 2 x 24dBi) Remember 4G/+ 700 - 2700MHz & 5G 3800MHz AU

 

1 Dish with 2 coax feed ins. (Vert/Horiz)

 

or 2 Dishes, each with 1 coax feed in, the better option.

 

Always cable tie the coax cables to the mast & seal the connectors as previously described.

Note the antenna angles (+ - 45deg) for 2X2 MIMO operation & the antenna spacing still applies here too.

 

Need to use low loss coax like LMR400, not RG58 of similiar used here by the looks, this is because of the huge losses in this type of coax cable, it defeats the purpose of using High Gain Antennas in the 1st place, @ 100 feet (30.48mtrs) of coax, its 16.5dB (RG58) loss compared to 3.9dB (LMR400) @ an operating frequency of 900MHz.

 

Something different, a LPDA Antenna with a Reflector fitted.

 

Gain increase is 1 dBi by the looks of it with the Reflector added (Grid @ the back)

 

 

 

EARTHING 

A MUST is to have a 90 Volt Lightning Surge Arrestor fitted to each coax cable & connected to a Ground Earth Rod.

 

Whats inside these Lightning Surge Arrestors, which provides protection for your 4G/+ Modem/Router. (Both conductors are protected in this type).

So how it works is that any surge voltage over 90 volts (72 -108V) on the centre conductor causes the GDT to conduct this surge voltage to ground/earth, while the Shield/Braid conductor is always grounded to earth. You MUST have an adequate earthing system connected, this usually takes the form of a ground/earth rod/stake with appropriately sized earth wire/cable.

 

  

 

Static build up could be a problem too when using these GDT.

 

LPDA

 

A minimum of 4mm squared (4mm2) Earth wire should be used for grounding (AU)

 

VK3HJQ 2021

 

 

 

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Re: MR600 V2 & 4G/+ Antenna Information (LPDA MIMO) AU - John VK3HJQ -Solution
2022-07-01 10:10:52 - last edited 2022-07-01 15:00:34

  @AkshayAk 

 

 

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2022-07-02 05:13:17 - last edited 2022-07-02 06:36:12

  @AkshayAk 

 

Hi there,

 

The optimum distance is 2 x Wavelength @ the Lower Frequency used, in your case 850MHz being 705mm spacing & you must mount the antennas @ -45Deg Main & + 45Deg AUX as that is how the 2 data streams are Transmitted/Received in 2X2 MIMO, this way you can achieve the maximum data speed possible, also note the arrow that indicates the top of the antenna must be pointing up too.

 

Hope this helps.

 

John vk3hjq 

 

 

 

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Re:<<< LPDA MIMO Antenna Information AU - John VK3HJQ >>>
2021-08-17 08:49:55

@vk3hjq 

Excellent!yesyesyes

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Re: MR600 V2 & 4G/+ Antenna Information (LPDA MIMO) AU - John VK3HJQ
2022-01-25 12:21:54
Very impressive writeup, 🥇👍 Any info on the flat panel direction antenna? I just got a Blake UK antenna
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Re: MR600 V2 & 4G/+ Antenna Information (LPDA MIMO) AU - John VK3HJQ
2022-01-26 02:07:25 - last edited 2022-01-26 06:26:04

@Scubajoey 

 

Scubajoey wrote

Very impressive writeup, 🥇👍 Any info on the flat panel direction antenna? I just got a Blake UK antenna

 

Hi there,

 

The only reason for this article (after researching the net) stemmed from my son requiring a very stable/reliable long range/high speed mobile internet connection from his Van (university teaching online) on his travels (17weeks/13000km) around the state of Queensland (Australia).

 

Usually the panel type antennas are lower gain with very lossy coax & are only good in strong signal areas.

 

John vk3hjq

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Re: MR600 V2 & 4G/+ Antenna Information (LPDA MIMO) AU - John VK3HJQ
2022-02-28 06:25:41

  @vk3hjq wifi not working

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2022-02-28 06:27:18
Wifi open but network problem
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Re: MR600 V2 & 4G/+ Antenna Information (LPDA MIMO) AU - John VK3HJQ
2022-03-01 23:24:55 - last edited 2022-03-01 23:26:43

  @MR600EU 

 

I have no idea why your WiFi is not working.

 

John vk3hjq 

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Re: MR600 V2 & 4G/+ Antenna Information (LPDA MIMO) AU - John VK3HJQ
2022-03-02 12:04:41

  @MR600EU 

Hi, I would suggest you should start a new thread here.

And when you start the thread, a picture of the Advanced>status page would be highly appreciated.

Thank you very much.

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Re: MR600 V2 & 4G/+ Antenna Information (LPDA MIMO) AU - John VK3HJQ
2022-07-01 09:15:28 - last edited 2022-07-01 09:34:18

Hi @vk3hjq 

I've just bought Archer mr600 V2 and I'm planning to deploy 2x 14dbi external antennas with 15m LMR/HLF 400 cable. I've been reading your post again and again several times and I've found it very useful I got all the information that I needed. Thank you so much for such an informational post.

 

I have few queries could you please answer:

1. Can you suggest me correct horizontal spacing for these antennas for band40 2300 mhz and band5 850mhz I'll be using these two bands mostly, band40 for higher download speed and lower latency, band5 for higher upload speeds and stable connection (please correct me wherever I'm wrong). I don't know much about CA but I'll be using these two bands for that. I used wavelength calculator it calculated 0.13034455m for 2300mhz and 0.35269701m for 850mhz. Which one should I use?

 

2. 4g+ is available in my area and the router could get upto -85dbm singal strength and speed upto 40Mbps down 4Mbps up with its rabbit ears. How much gain can I get from these 14dbi antennas paired with 15m lmr400 cable? Mobile tower is located 1km apart from my location. I reached the tower 150m distance and checked speed at -69dbm in band40 4g+ I could get 100Mbps+ down and 12Mbps up. (I hope LPDA antennas can get much better uplink)

Can I achieve same signal strength and speed in router at my home 1km apart from tower? I can install the antennas high enough with a clear line of sight with the cell tower.

 

Sorry for the longer post. Any help will be highly appreciated.

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2022-07-01 10:10:52 - last edited 2022-07-01 15:00:34

  @AkshayAk 

 

 

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Re: MR600 V2 & 4G/+ Antenna Information (LPDA MIMO) AU - John VK3HJQ
2022-07-01 15:21:59

  @vk3hjq 

Thanks for the fast reply wasn't expecting it at all :D 

You first stated in your answer before editing that you would go for the higher frequency so I should go with 2x the wavelength of the higher frequency which has highest speed which is band40 @2300mhz in my case. Although I'll tweak and learn more about this when I practically do the setup.

 

Could you tell me one more thing:

Mounting the antennas horizontally in up way position (|____|) vs at -45°, 45° (\____/) could you tell me if this affects signal gain then at what rate? I'm asking this because I highly doubt that I'm not gonna get the bracket with holes for 45° angle mounting. Should I go with 0° for both antennas or find some solution for other type of mount.

 

I'll share my success on this once I've done the setup. I couldn't do it this better without your post ;) so I thank you for it.

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